Ken Ettie wrote me in Feb.2010:
Reactions welcome EMAIL (but sure to state the -url- (link) and subject!!!)
Ken Ettie also wrote me in june 2017, making me aware of this 2009 event:
| While browsing my database (16Nov16) for random updates I came across, while googling, images that served as an update for a
Douglas DC-3 (C-47D 43-49403, c/n 26664/15219) wreck near Gustavus, Glacier Bay in Alaska.
The plane crash was on the 23Nov1957, four people died, seven survived.
Crash report on Aviation Safety Network.
And here is a 2017 response to the B-17 at Bennett (or Bennet) Lake, also by Ken Ettie, he emailed me this links:
Yukon Transportation Museum, Whitehorse, Yukon Territory
Returning to Mr. Ettie’s earlier note: the only thing I can think of, that relates to his story, is about a B-24 (B-25? -
Webmaster) in a lake NW of Whitehorse; several groups spent a great deal of time and money searching a lake in the late 1980s and 1990s with no reported results (not that I know of at least).
The location was Wellesley Lake.
Funny thing though: to date there is absolutely no evidence the USAAF ever lost a B-24 in the Yukon, missing, crashed or otherwise!?!
Maybe someone can correct me on this.
I often wonder if the B-24 story was somehow mixed up with the C-54 at Snag story (about half way down this page): slightly different time frames, both large 4 engine aircraft and Wellesley Lake is very close to the expected flight path of the missing C-54; which was the perfect place to make an emergency landing, on solid lake ice in the middle of a Yukon winter."
Reactions welcomed (email -state url of this page for reference please-)
Robert Holden responded Jan.2015: "With reference to a downed B-25
Mitchell bomber near Whitehorse, YT in 1952. I was stationed there in
1952 with the RCMP. We received an alert regarding this plane and I was
a spotter, I believe on a Lancaster, for two days. Snow conditions made it
impossible to see.
|In May 2014 I received following contribution to the website from Marguerite Randall:
"For your use: the year was 1938 and the pilot was Ted Stull, my father. A recap of the crash was in the May 4, 1988 Northern Miner (''Odds and Sods').
Marguerite added: It was a Bellanca Airbus, CF-BBJ.
Here´s another crashsite of which I presume the wreckage is now long gone, but the details are worthy of mentioning here. George Chomkovski sent this photo to me to help find the background of this situation and Gordon Olafson provided the details, almost a year later (Dec.2014).
|Felix Stadler wrote me in april 2014:
"I have visited a few of those wrecks shown on your webpage 'Abandoned Wrecks' in the past, with the help of your page, and plan to visit more of them in the future.
There is a RCAF C-47A wreck near Port Hardy, Vancouver Island that I did not see mentioned anywhere on your page.
I visited it in March 2009 and took some pictures. The corresponding aviation-safety.net page complete with the exact location:
Felix Stadler has an inspiring website (landscape, transport, architecture, misc); click on the link www.555nm.de or:
| The Arctic North (northern parts of Canada and Alaska) is a cruel environment for men and machine; for planes it is no different. The weather creates all sorts of hazards, the terrain offers its own variety of opportunities for disaster.
Men are prone to make mistakes and machines are bound to fail at some point. Here are some of the results. I hope we can establish the identities and the locations of these planes, help will be welcomed.
Jason Pineau published this beautiful photo on his Flickr account (link) and added following information:
"PBY Canso from World War II. Parked on the side of a hill near Tofino, BC."
David McIntosh made a video profile and can be seen on YouTube - his photos HERE..
Identity of this plane is: PBY-5A Canso (Catalina) RCAF 11007.
If you intend to hike up there, this may be helpful:
or thus YouTube video 'on the bomber trail' by Wayne Stadler https://youtu.be/qUz9WiWhQac (the Canso has a lot more grafitti on it, video published 27Sep2016).
Dirk Septer wrote an article about this Canso A RCAF 11007: Crash site of Royal Canadian Air Force Canso A 11007 revisited, by Dirk Septer 2009 (.pdf format)
Warning: it is only a 45 minute hike, but one could easily get lost and some people have...
Dietmar wrote me in Sept.2012:
"A possible candidate for this airplane is c/n 3799/N58558 (ex UC-78, USAAF 42-58308). It was sold to Hawley Evans, dba Fairbanks Air Service, Fairbanks, AK, 31Mar54, and later modified with a right-side oversize cargo door and emergency window exit. Its last recorded annual inspection was 22-5-61.
Andreas Morgner wrote me this in Feb.2008 :
A few facts:
http://www.geocities.com/alaskanheritage/REEVEFLEET.html (dead link) - N91016 w/o Nikolski,AK 29May65
Michael Prophet made me aware of the fact the DC-3 actual featured on the photo shown on the Wikipedia page:
Michael Prophet also stumbled on this photo in an Airways magazine (March 2008), at the end of the runway.
Jan Fr. Mack made me notice this WW2 B-24 bomber, the wreckage surviving at Atka Island (Aleuts), Alaska.
Jason Streitmann wrote me in Nov.2011:
Mike Criss likes hiking. Hiking in remote areas. He lives in Wasilla,Alaska and on his hikes he comes across quite a few crashsites. Here is one he would like to know more about...
This website identifies it as a Douglas C-47, 43-48069. The crashdate was 21Apr52 but except'Alaska' that website offers no further details.
The website www.aerotransport.org has more details: 43-48069 is a C-47A-DK with msn/ manufacturer's serial number (aka construction number or c/n) 25330. It has a remark; 'ultimate fate obscured', well now we know..
The Air-Britain publication "DC-3, The First Seventy Years" has a detailed history-
DC-3 at Reindeer Lake, July 2006
In July 2006 a very unteresting thread was started by the King of Obsolete on
www.avcanada.ca/forums. He published these 2 photos, with a link to the story on his website: http://kingofobsolete.ca/discovery_of_the_dc3_airplane_webpage.htm
Dirk Septer added to this (Oct.2006):
Read about how the King is planning to salvage this DC-3,
? No Photo, but in Propliner magazine no.111 -Summer 2007- I read about a Douglas EC-47 (42-24304) wreck surviving on Prince of Wales Island. The wreckage is located a little north of Klawock.
Joe Baugher I found has on his website "24304 (msn 10166) delivered Sep 1943. No card. MAAAG Portugal 1956-1963. Converted to EC-47Q. Crash-landed in Alaska Oct 25, 1968. Crew uninjured. Crashed Jul 23, 1969 at Saint Grenier."
But repairs at Prince of Wales Island is contradictory to the report on Aviation Safety Network (ASN)
Crashed during ferry flight to Vietnam.
Also, when I went to another website / online database, B3A (BAAA ACRO), and searching on '1969 + France + DC-3/C-47' I found no results. Therefor I think the 2nd crash 23Jul1969 at Saint Grenier must be in error and 42-24304 found its demise at Prince of Wales in 1968. Fortunately without fatalities.
Photos of 42-24304 welcomed!
In Air-Britain's magnificent DC-3 publication there is no mention of that second crash and c/n 10166 has its ending at Prince of Wales Island in Alaska:
Here is proof by Google Earth it is still there...
This photo was published on that same forum and thread.
Photo taken by 'Scudrunner'.
|Again on that same forum / thread, another contribution by the King of Obsolete:
"This Curtiss C-46 Commando in Churchill,Manitoba is set up with a picnic table and everything. Here is the picture thanks to "Google Earth. it is painted to look good and you walk inside on the plywood floor and sit in the seat for a picture; it is even on the Churchill tourist map."
Must admit I couldn't find it on Google Earth.
Aad van der Voet (Old Wings) identified it as Curtiss Commando C-46 C-GYHT c/n 22375.
This website www.churchillmb.net/~cccomm/pintrest.htm (dead link) provided the following:
"Miss Piggy - this is a crashed C46 aircraft that was operated by Lamb Air. She is found on the scenic route road along Hudson Bay shortly before it ends, close to the Institute of Arctic Ecophysiology. She is called Miss Piggy because she was able to hold so much freight and once did have pigs on board. On Nov 13 (19), 1979 she was flying a cargo of 1 skidoo and many cases of pop for the Arctic Co-op from Churchill to Chesterfield inlet. She lost oil pressure in her left engine shortly after departing Churchill. The crew of 3 tried to return the aircraft to the Churchill airport. They clipped hydro poles with one wing just before the IAEP lab and crash landed on the rocks there. 2 of the 3 crew were seriously injured. Investigation of the failed engine only revealed small metal chips through out. Her oringal paint of white and red with the Lamb Air markings has been painted over with gray for a movie."
Try this link: www.weirdgoogleearth.com/curtiss-c-46-commando/
The King sent me this picture, which 'kinda' makes me want to put on my boots, grab the camera and go there...
Here is Jack Lamb's book, the story of flying in the great white north:
www.artbookbindery.com/TheBookshelfComplete.htm (dead link by dec.2011)
My Life In The North is a story of Jack Lamb, his father Tom, and his five brothers. They owned and operated Lambair Limited from bases at The Pas, Thompson, and Churchill, Manitoba during the 1950’s, 60’s, and 70’s. They lived all their lives flying as bush pilots in Northern Manitoba and the Canadian Arctic. This book highlights some of their adventures while operating scheduled and charter flights. The company motto was "Do Not Ask Us Where We Fly - Tell Us Where You Want To Go". Recommended reading.
The famous Miss Piggy C46 plane crash site:
www.tc.gc.ca/PrairieAndNorthern/churchillairport/menu.htm (dead link)
See also my Page 7 of Photos by Friends and Guests, for 2 more photos of C-GYHT.
Jackie Robinson sent me a photo taken on 16Nov07:
sent me this image in July 2007:
Brian Maddison followed this up with the following:
In Sep.2007 I received following email:
Paul Chapman, when revisiting the area on 27Apr09, he took the opportunity of taking a few photos of CF-CZH...
The photo on the left (below) makes it clear that the cockpit has been salvaged.
The photo on the right illustrates how the wreckage is easily overlooked these days, trees encroaching the wreck site.
Alexandre Avrane (of AeroTransport Data Bank) suggested another crash of a C-46:
Joe Baugher describes an interesting history:
Allen added: "When CZH crashed by Thompson I was an apprentice AME working for Lambair and taking my private pilot license training. Lambair acquired YHT (Miss Piggy in Churchill), just before I left Lambair to work for Avalon aviation on PBY,s used for aerial fire suppression.
Seems like a veritable Curtiss Commando scrapyard up there in Manitoba..!
This image was displayed at the AvCanada forum (topic), by 'N181CS'; he added: "this is a DC-3, about 16 miles west of Shamattawa, about 3 miles south of the Winter Road. I was told it was hauling lumber at night and lost an engine. As you can tell its been there for sometime due to the growth around it..."
GPS Co-ordinates for the DC3 near Shamattawa ( also written as Shamathawa) are:
sent me this shot of a partly obscured plane wreck, photo dated 13Jan13:
All the windows obviously line up for a similar aircraft type. No guarantees, but something to think about."
-Peter Hill former (First Air/Bradley Air Services DHC-6 captain)
C/n 22419 was written off 09Aug61 at
Peter C. Hill wrote me (may 2017): "I had the opportunity to visit CF-HEI when I was the base manager
Another C-46 wreck is N9995F (C-46F c/n22409), at Kugaaruk, Nunavut;
photo taken by Jason Pineau in Sep.2011.
Larger image at Jason's Flickr.com account
Peter C. Hill elaborated on N9995F's position, with help from Google Earth (may 2017) :
|Patrick Nagle made me aware of the wreck of C-FOOY (CF-OOY) near Iqaluit. This is Douglas C-47A c/n 12411 CF-OOY.
Information from the website polarpilots.ca:|
On November 3, 1975, C-FOOY, a 1944 Douglas C47A 10DK Dakota 3 (DC-3) belonging to Kenting Atlas Aviation was carrying a group of Inuit on a charter from a meeting in Pond Inlet back to Iqaluit (or Frobisher Bay as it was then known).
Bad weather forced it to miss refuelling in Pangnirtung or Broughton Island (now Qikiqtarjuaq).
It ran out of fuel and landed on the tundra about 45 nm north east of Iqaluit.
The passengers included many of the original Inuit group that worked to develop the idea of Nunavut, which became a territory on April 1, 1999.
Search and Rescue in Nunavut volunteers use the wreck as a target for spotter training. The winter photo (upper left) was taken by Kenn Borek pilot Marcel Siegenthaler during a training run in January 2012.
The engines have been removed and much of the useful material stripped.
And it now serves as a shelter for hunters, as you can see in this summer photo (below) taken by Patrick Nagle.
2014 UPDATE !!!
I came across this photo by Erik Charlton on Flickr.com
Dave Brosha seems to have photos of this aircraft too in his Arctic folder www.flickr.com/photos/brosha
Frans van Zelm responded to above email exchange: "This is Fairchild F-27J CF-GND (c/n 113) which crashlanded at
Resolute Bay 12Jun68 (afaik;
conflicting data is reported: also 15Jun68 is mentioned...).
Also visible in Google Earth/Maps at 74.67265N 94.5879W
Tom Frook wrote in March 2011:
Peter C. Hill sent me this in May 2017 on the location of the F.27 CF-GNG of Great Northern, near Resolute Bay:
This photo was grabbed from the AvCanada forum (topic), posted by 'HotShots21' (alias for Alex St-Gelais) with comments "CF-CPA a Lockheed Lodestar forced landed in the 60's."
[Date of photo: August 2007]
CF-CPA is Lodestar c/n 18-2177 and the subject of serious intentions to recover it. Its location is near Weeks Lake or Schefferville,QUE and it found this resting spot when it was forced down by fuel starvation.
"This Lockheed 18 Lodestar was one of those slated to join the Dutch East Indies Air Force in Java in 1940 where it was to have been given the serial number LT-926. However, when the Japanese overran Java, the Lodestar was diverted (seized, might be a better term) by the U.S. Government to the Army Air Corps as a C-60-LO and given the serial number 42-108787. The Army Air Corps never used the plane and released it to Canadian Pacific Air Lines in the early 1940s...." MORE: www.cf-cpa.ca/en/history.shtml
This wreckage lies at Beaver Creek, though I have no specifics of where this is nor the date of the photo. Google Maps link.
The photo was taken by 'scudrunner' who tells his tales on the AvCanada forum.
I used Google Maps to search for 'Snag' (right) and 'Beaver Creek' (below).
Sheldon Rose wrote me in June 2007:
Craig Fuller, of AAIR Aviation Archaeological Investigation & Research, emailed me in May 2012:
I recently (6-2013) found there was a Wikipedia page on this:
Christened 'Operation Mike' there is also a Facebook page on the search for this Douglas C-54. Dean Russell, a supporter to the cause of finding this lost C-54, took out his helicopter on 20Sep2014 and searched & photographed various locations. Alas, the C-54 remained invisible. The search is described on the Facebook page. Below is a photo taken by Dean Russell of Snag Airport.
Matt Miller wrote Feb.2008:
Andy Beebe sent me this photo in May 2012, he wrote: "This is a picture of the RCAF Dakota KJ-936 taken from an after action report of 'Exercise Sweetbriar'. I discovered it while researching the loss of C-54 42-72469 in the Yukon." [No source/photographer for the image provided]
No mention of identity (serial number) of the aircraft.
The sign reads: DAKOTA PLANE CRASH - 1946
Jeff Rankin-Lowe wrote;
Images at (dead links) http://rjcharity.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!45A38976DB774CBC!2361.entry and
http://rjcharity.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!45A38976DB774CBC!2469.entry showed another surviving wreck: CF-ILQ of Austin Airways.
Jeff Rankin-Lowe provided the following history:
Ron sent me an update on 17June09, writing:
"I received several pictures of the crash site from Rangers who were there at the CF-ILQ wreck last week."
|Pascal wrote me about an overland trip he did in 2012 and where he came upon C-46 CF-ILQ:
Two years ago I found the details of C-46 CF-ILQ crash in the north of Quebec on your website.
Last summer I travelled to this place!
Here's the story (sorry, it is in French but you can look at the pics)
And... I found another one, a Liberator B-24: maps.google.ca
See for the photos here: http://s584.photobucket.com/albums/ss288/ve2whz/liberator/
That same thread provided also these 2 photos of a Bristol Freighter... A sad sight!
I would welcome the name of the photographer for a proper credit.
Aad van de Voet provided the following details: "This is Bristol 170 Freighter Mk.31 CF-TFZ, c/n 13139, which was flying for Pacific Western Airlines at the time. It crashed there on 30 May 1956, only two months after PWA had acquired it..."
Dirk Septer added the following:
Sean Barry zoomed past and sent me these photos, which I believe were taken in Feb.2007
|Ken Lubinski sent me these photos in Sep.2007; he recalled those days as follows:
"The Bristol was probably photographed late 1970's. The one pic shows the old mine cabin. Fellow on the left was the cook (Henry) and on the right my helper (Rick). I cannot recall their last names.
We spent the month of Feb at that camp. It was very cold... At night water would freeze in the cabin. All the packing between the logs had fallen out, so the wind would blow right between the logs. Every morning we would have little snow drifts on our sleeping bags!
I was doing exploration drilling at the old uranium mine for a company out of BC. I believe the company name was Noranda. Could be wrong on that one.
Of all the years of working the Arctic, Baffin Island included, I have never witnessed Northern Lights as intense as they were there! For two nights the sky was literally alive from one horizon to the other. The colors were so vibrant, and the movement of the lights was scarry! They seemed like they were just above the tree tops."
Andreas sent me this link www.flickr.com/photos/yellowknifesilke
In Dec.2007 I received following email:
Anyone with any sightings (or fate) after Dec.1970 of Lambair's Bristol Freighter CF-WAC:
Jerry Vernon added to this: 90° West is not in Manitoba,, it runs up through Northwestern Ontario... Big Trout Lake, Ontario is bisected by the 90° West meridian, at just below 54° North; Big Trout Lake is the village of the Kitchenuhmaykoosib Inninuwug First Nation!! They were formerly known simply as the Big Trout Lake First Nation.
Note that Lambair operated four Bristol Freighters in all, as follows, but the Lambair website gives no further details:
Dirk Septer added the following:
Dirk added the following information he found on the 'long-nosed' CF-QWJ:
Unidentified Canso, with sketchy data:
Erik Thingbo wrote in March 2011 on Yahoo's CV-Canso forum
"I have the following from a friend in Canada, Dan Gudmundsson.
That Canso with the broken wingtip, I think it was from Flying Firemen of Edmonton AB, they were on a pickup and lost control of the aircraft and managed to beach it. I heard they made a temporary fix by inserting some 2x4 lumber in the wing and ferrying it to Edmonton. I was on the same fire, but didn’t see the accident happen, they did their pickup with the floats down and that may have contributed to the accident...
I am pretty sure this happened in fall of 1969 or maybe possibly in early summer of 1970.
I flew at the time in CF- IZO from NORCANAIR."
Have any heard about this accident, and which plane it was ?
Erik followed this up by a theory:
"A friend and I have studied the picture and we are pretty sure that the plane is from Kenting Aviation, Toronto, Ontario.
And that it is Canso CF-NJF, now G-PBYA with The Catalina Society, England.
On that time Kenting flew with CF-NJF, CF-NJB and CF-UAW in a blue colour. We studied the window configuration there are different.
CF-NJF has a round window in the starboard cargo hatch, but covered.
CF-NJB has a round window or observer bobble in stb. Cargo hatch.
CF-UAW has a square window in the stb. Cargo hatch
And on Dan's photo there seems to be no window in the stb. Hatch, so therefor it most is likely CF-NJF there on the water.
David Legg will next time he came to Duxford study the Logbook for G-PBYA and see if he can find something."
To be continued!
The above discussion on the identity of the Beech 18 remains, seen from the air & photographed by Jason Pineau, initially also led to other candidates.
Sep.2016 I received an email plus photo from Brian Lowe:
History of CF-MBO, as compiled by Bob Parmerter.
Sean Barry sent me these photos, of York CF-HMX at Hall Lake,Nunavut; taken on 23may09:
Aviation Safety Network has the following:
Avro 685 York C1 CF-HMX (c/n ?) of Arctic Wings struck a snow bank at Hall Lake,NU on 12APR1955.
(Arctic Wings apparently was a sub-company of Spartan Airways, details welcomed).
The Avro York had a somewhat unlucky career in Canada's Arctic North; 3 Yorks crashed in 6 weeks in the spring of '55, 7 in 18 months, 2 on the same day 13 Sept 56...
The Avro York was a British transport aircraft that was derived from the WW2 Lancaster heavy bomber, and used in both military and airliner roles between 1943 and 1964.
Lee Cormie sent me these images of CF-HMX at Hall Lake, and sent me his shots, which he took in 1972 when it was in slightly better shape...
Peter C. Hill flew over the crashsite on 05Sep1978 and sent me this image of the Avro York at Hall Lake.
Here's some more by Google Earth, in part sent by Peter C. Hill, to indicate the current location of CF-HMX
Two images sent by Pat Donaghy in Jan.2014 (below), he wrote "..a couple pictures of CF-HAS that were taken by Hugh F. Bunn, one in 1968 and another some years later.
This is a Canso, about 25 mile NE of Sioux Lookout.
C-GFFJ is a Canso PBY-6A, it has c/n 2066.
N6456C was obtained by Flying Fireman Ltd of Sidney,BC in June 1980; registered as C-GFFJ and flown as tanker 9. |
It crashed and was destroyed during water pick-up at Sioux Lookout, Ontario on 12Jul81.
Came across this photo of Buffalo's C-FNJE Tanker 702 (PBY-5A c/n CV-437) at the AvCanada website.
It flipped over while scooping water Sitidgi Lake, NWT 24Jul2001. It was recovered from the seabed and brought ashore for repairs.
Curtis voluteered the following on the CV-Canso Yahoo forum:
See the website www.savethecanso.com
Here is a 2012 photo by Nigel Hitchman who visited the farm at Fairview in 2012:
UPDATE Feb.2017 'First flight after restoration fast approaching!'
Sean Keating made me aware of this wreck, he wrote:
The story of the crash of N103 (ATL-98 conversion no.7, ex DC-4 cn10273) can be found on Aviation-Safety Network :
Andreas forwarded me this link: www.dced.state.ak.us/dca/commdb/images/Venetie_planecrash.jpg (also found 'dead' in june 2015) which shows the following image:
Rob Tracz sent me photos of N103 in better days, click here
Andreas Morgner sent me the link to Google Maps, to further facilitate travellers... |
Here are the coördinates: 67°1'16"N 146°31'55"W
Andreas sent me this image in june 2015; he wrote:
|Thomas Bouwens from Alaska
sent me this image and the question:
"I wonder if anyone has information on these wrecks I found on Google Earth at a mining strip, 4 miles east of Chandalar Lake, Alaska."
Marc Hookerman came up with the identities: "They are C-46 N92853 and (top) C-119 N15509. That is the Tobin Creek Mine Airstrip (closed)."
C-119G N15509 (c/n 10775) crashed on 21Apr84, while on take off from Venetie Airport with destination Fairbanks. See Aviation Safety Network.
NOTE: James Lumley disagreed (dec.2013) with the identity of this wreck, he wrote in dec.2013: "The C-119 identified as the wreck at the Tobin Creek airstrip is NOT N15509, as that aircraft now sits in a museum.
Dirk Septer provided the text and photo:
Neville Webb has something to say about the crashsite too, he lives in the area, CLICK HERE...
wrote me in May 2012: "Living in the north has made me appreciate the importance of some of the older wrecked aircraft. I noted you mention the B-36 44-92075 crash site in the Nass River Valley of Northern B.C. but no photos were posted...
I had the opportunity to visit the site in 1997 and was able to gather a number of photos (above). If you wish to use them on your web page please do.
Mike Charters wrote me in Dec.2007 and sent me the following photo:
Mike added: "Thought I’d send a photo of the B-36 Peacemaker near Goose Bay, taken from a Euorocopter EC-155B Helicopter in the Fall of 2005 or 2004 I believe.
Lew Noble remembered how a rumor told a different version of the cause of the crash:
Roger Soupart shared this photo (no source or name of photographer) on his Facebook wall in May 2017:
|Michael Prophet (propliner enthusiast) noted this wreckage on
the website www.walter-steinberg.de/Koyukuk/Koyukuk.htm
Click the above link or the thumbnail to the webpage, for a larger image.
Michael suggested: "...it is the Fairchild C-119 Flying Boxcar, survivor N8682 of Hawkins & Powers (Tanker 138)
Location would be some 30 miles south of Bettles Field and near the Koyukuk River, close to the village of Allakaket; about 200 miles northwest of Fairbanks.
Accident details on Aviation-Safety.Net
This would be the C-119 Flying Boxcar, described in the Legend of Dead Dugan.
| Phil Schaefer sent me this photo in June 2007, he wrote:|
I've got a couple of aerial photos of the B-24 wreck near Wood River Butts, about 30 miles south of Fairbanks if you're interested. According to the great guys at the Pioneer Park museum it crashed shortly after WWII while trying to recreate a 4 engine failure that caused another plane to crash (I believe that is the wreck near the Charlie River). Unfortunately, they succeeded...
Not much left of the wreckage now, a wildfire a couple years ago did a lot of damage.
Tim Berg replied with the following information:
"That picture is of the first B-24 that went in with engine- and prop problems. No one was killed in it. There were some broken bones...
The second one, that went out to duplicate the first one, is about 4 miles south of the one you have pictures of and it had no survivors. It is much harder to see.
I do have some pictures of it. Fire never got to either one of them. I have an article from the Air Force Flying Safety Magazine Published June 1990 about the incidents, crashed in 1943."
|Craig Bass wrote me in June 2009:
" Just finished reading a story by 'Lieutenant Leon Crane A.C. as told to Gerold Frank and James D. Horan' titled 'Eighty-Four Days in the Arctic' in an old book my father-in-law gave me entitled 'The 100 Best True Stories of World War II' (Wm. H. Wise & Co., Inc., 1945).
Lt. Leon Crane was the co-pilot of the B-24 that crashed near Charlie River while doing prop tests.
The story is about his experience as a survivor of the flight. Pretty interesting read, so I decided to see if I could find where Charlie River is, and while I didn’t find a map, I did find your website...
What spurred me to write to you was that Tim Berg quoted on your website from an article from the Air Force Flying Safety Magazine (publ. June 1990) saying that quote/ Fire never got to either one of them /unquote (referring to the two B-24 crashes near Charlie Lake).
Perhaps the article was referring to natural fires over the years; however, Lt. Crane says:
"I had landed on a snow-covered slope. Far above me, I made out the flaming wreck of the plane. It was at least five miles away, a distant, black-red glow with black smoke spreading and twisting above it. I looked into the valley below. There was a small stream threading its way down there, with spruce trees growing on both sides. I had landed in a rather barren area. The only vegetation about me was a few scrub brush pushing through the snow. I was well above time line."
"It was very quiet. Not a sound of anything. I shouted, 'Ho!' at the top of my voice. I yelled again and again. No answer, not so much as an echo in that rarified atmosphere. I must be up pretty high. Now I began to realize that my hands were almost blue with cold: I had left my mittens in the plane. I picked up my chute and wrapped it into a small bundle and set out to climb toward the wreck. We had always been told that if we crashed, the plane was far easier to pick up from the air than a man walking on foot. But I’d no sooner taken half a dozen steps before I was stumbling and floundering. Under the snow the mountainside was a mass of glacial boulders, rounded like cobblestones, ranging in size from pebbles to boulders too heavy to lift. It was next to impossible to walk. I tried struggling on, but after about half an hour I had made less than a few hundred yards, and I was exhausted. I cleared away the snow from a large boulder, sat down on it and as calmly and methodically as I could, took stock of the situation."
"I was in a hell of a fix. On the minus side, (1), I didn’t know where I was, save that I was about an hour’s flight east of Big Delta. That might mean as much as 200 miles from Big Delta. (2) The men at Ladd Field didn’t know where I was. The last time we’d reported was at 11 o’clock. We were then immediately over Big Delta. They had no way of knowing that we had gone far out of our way to find that gap in the overcast. Things had happened so swiftly in the plane that we’d had no chance to radio anyone. (3) Our B-24 carried a heavy load of gasoline. I’d seen such B-24’s, heavy with gas, go up in flame. I knew the chance of any emergency equipment, such as food, guns, sleeping bags, being left in the plane was pretty slight." (p. 857)
He chose to make his way downhill where he encountered a stream he later learned was the Charlie River. Later that night, he says: "I could still make out a distant red glow far above me. The B-24 still burned." (p858)
As the title indicates, it took him 84 days to find civilization and be flown back to Ladd Field, Alaska, where the flight had originated. He makes no mention of any of the other crewmembers ever making it home.
Anyway, as I said, it was a good read, and I found the pictures of the crash site on your website to be interesting, and thought you might find Lt. Crane’s account from immediately following the crash to be interesting. If you can find the book, he details the entire flight through his return to civilization. "
|Following I received from Mac McCrimmon, at this time without photos, but interesting all the same:
"I was working in the area when the Malcolm Island DC 3 crashed...
I was working for Calm Air in Lynn Lake, flying a Norseman and Beech 18 on floats and used to come to Arctic Lodge a lot. This DC-3 was one of many airplanes that brought guests to what was then called Arctic Lodge, although it is a long way from the real Arctic. I forget the name of the person who owned the lodge but it was a well run organization that catered to groups of sportsmen, as opposed to many fly in fishing camps that catered to individuals and their friends. These airplanes came up from Minnesota with groups and returned with another on a weekly basis. Since they were able to traverse from Winnipeg to Malcolm Island and return without fuel or stopped for fuel in either Flin Flon or The Pas, we, the floatplane operators, saw very little of them.
If you go to Google Earth and key in Malcolm Island, you will see the airport. Now, if you go west and north from the island about 7 or 8 miles in a small bay between two islands, you will see a settlement. That is Arctic Lodge. It is inhabited only in the summer.
Where I got involved in the incident, other than hearing about it, was when one of our company pilots (Calm Air Ltd., Lynn Lake, Manitoba) dumped a Beech 18 (on wheels) over on its back at the airstrip. We just left the airplane there for the winter.
In early spring, a gentleman by the name of Porky Weiben, owner of Superior Airways (of Thunder Bay Ontario), arrived in Lynn Lake with a DC-3 and he said he was going to Malcolm Island to salvage what was salvagable from the wreck. Later on that spring, we flew in to Malcolm Island with a Twin Otter to salvage our Beech 18, only to find that Porky had beat us to it and took all the radios and instruments out of the airplane!
We then simply haywired the tail section up, chopped the roof off the cockpit and taxied the airplane across the ice to Kinasao or Coop Point. We had a problem getting the airplane off the ice so we taxied around to a bay near the airstrip where there was ice right of shore, but about 100 yards (or meters) from shore, the airplane broke through the ice damaging the propellers... so we just chopped the engines off and let the airplane sink!
I have some pictures of the wrecked Beech 18, but they are on slides and I am attempting to put them on something digital but with poor luck...
When I was on the Island, I never got to the wreckage because it was on the south end and we always worked off the north end of the airstrip."
Arctic Lodge is of course a different location than Arctic Bay, which features in the book "My Life in the North" by Jack Lamb and which has an interesting chapter on a mishap with a Beech 18 at Arctic Bay and the plane's recovery.
Joey 'the King of Obsolete' has also found something written about the crashes mentioned by Marc McCrimmon (and the 'Ozark DC-3' earlier up this page)-
Joey wrote: "I used my magic marker on the computer and showed you where the Beech 18 should be. I have some pilots tell me, on a clear calm day you can see the Beech 18 in the water... The water up here is clear to over 100 feet!
Here is a link to a map that will show you where the malcolm island runway is to Kinoosao:
He added: "Your website is answering a lot of questions over in the Great White North... I know a fellow that was in Lynn Lake when they were stripping the DC-3 at Malcolm Island. He remembers it well because the crew flew back to Lynn Lake every night and had the parts they took off the plane that day..."
|Gord wrote me in May 2008: "Any idea what this crash is?
This is alongside the abandoned rail line between Sioux Lookout, Ontario and Upsala...
Looks like it may have been pulled out of the lake?"
"We came across it on a backroad motorcycle tour last weekend. We all took some pics and your welcome to use them. I also have the gps coordinates on my gps, here they are:
N 49 18.135'
W 90 44.196'.
We were guessing it's a Beech 18... "
Someone suggested: "It looks like a Beech 18 for sure. Note the battery box hole, the big gap behind it where the fuel tank goes (that has been obviously removed) and the tubular truss structure spar. "
"I remember this wreck from flying over it several times in 1968 and 1969. It was in the trees close to the rail line and at that time was much more intact than shown in the recent photos. It was a Beech 18 that had had engine problems and was put into the trees sometime earlier. I flew for Superior Airways and we made a lot of flights over this area when going between our base in Fort William, (now Thunder Bay) and our Sioux Lookout base. I suspect that at some point someone has done salvage work to retrieve engines etc. from the wreck leaving it in its present condition."
The coordinates N 49 18.135' W 90 44.196' would indicate this location
Lorne Brett sent me these images in Sep.2009; they were taken in 1997.
Robert K. Parmerter, authority on the Beech 18 subject and author of the 'bible' on this subject "Beech 18: A Civil and Military History" (Twin Beech 18 Society, Tullahoma,TN /2004) offered the following reaction to the above-
A post on the AvCanada forum provided the following response from 'imarai':
Another Beech C-45 wreck, also in Ontario, as yet uncertain about the identity and crash background-
Scudrunner wrote me in July 2008: "I am the photographer of the pictures from the Beaver Creek and the Ruby Range DC-3's.
Here is a wreck of a BN2 you can add to the collection 63°33'1.49"N 139°54'21.36"W
Crashed while landing at a mining strip called 'Lammers'.
Karl Hayes wrote me in January 2009 with a nice challenge...:
Curtiss C-46 N67982 - see seperate item further down
Report from Thomas Hird, pilot flying in this crash...
Karl Hayes wrote me in January 2009 with a nice challenge...:
While N208M has been adressed in the item above, this next one is about C-46 N67982.
"Karl wrote: "He also mentions an incident involving a C-46 in the spring of 1968.
Fortunately Francis Blake came to the rescue in may 2017! He contacted me with a splendid story and this unique photo of the unfortunate Curtiss C-46 N67982!
I have not been able to find an occurrence report, perhaps this 1968 incident is buried in some paper files somewhere.
I think the nickname found use after the incident as Google maps still goes by the native name 'Nullack Lake'.
In the book 'Triumph over Turbulence' (see my books page) I came across this photo:
On the AvCanada another interesting item appeared: about a B-29 surviving in Northern Greenland. Those with aircraft preservation at heart will understand the drama when an attempt to recover B-29 "Kee Bird" went awfully wrong in the summer of 1995...
The above shot was taken during Operation "Boxtop" in 1988 and below was taken during "Boxtop" in 1990
"I have searched your site mostly off airport and friends & guests photos
and found many photos and much great detail on arctic wrecks but have not
found any on the various Avro York hulks dotted about the Canadian
landscape... Have I missed them ?
These are the ones I have traced so far. More digging to be done !
Odd that two show the same date 'HFP and 'HFQ 13th September 1956.
CF-HFP Cape Perry, Northwest Territories .........................13/9/56
CF-HFQ Fox, Northwest Territories .....................................13/9/56
CF-HIQ 33Kms South of Rankin Inlet, Hudson Bay ...........8/1/57
CF-HMU Fort Chimo, Quebec .................................................24/1/56
CF-HMV Thoa River S.E. of YellowKnife .............................29/9/55
CF-HMW 44kms N. of Chimo Quebec ...................................26/9/56
CF-HMX Hall Lake, Northwest Territories ........................12/4/55
CF-HMY Edmonton ....................................................................26/5/55
CF-HMZ YellowKnife ................................................................11/4/55
David S. Truman
|Jérôme Gagnon sent me this in Dec.2011:
"Here is a link on an article about a KC-97 wreckage in northern Quebec, near Mistassinni Lake and in the Otish mountains area.
It is written in French but I figured there might be some good info for you.
There's also a picture of the tail ":
Photo: Journal de Montréal/Dany Doucet
Alas, my understanding of French is poor and thus the text of no help.
sent me this image in Jan.2012 while he wrote:
But Craig Fuller, webmaster of www.AviationArchaeology.com, wrote me that C-54D 42-72616 was actually involved in 3 crashes! And it was 10Oct1952, where it was finally destroyed.
Charles P O'Dale wrote:
I (webmaster) also found this on C-54 272616:
Rest in peace, gentlemen."
PICKING UP THE PIECES | DENNY McCARTNEY
Denny McCartney is not a writer, but that doesn't show! An immensely nice read.
He wrote a book about the period after his career as Chief Engineer for Northland Airlines, turning to an independent adjuster / repair mecanic / salvage teamleader.
The book describes how he single-handedly or with assistance picked broken planes from glaciers, repaired crashed bushplanes from the trees to fly out again and brought floatplanes facing doom in water or ice safely home.
The period of time this mostly took place was late-1950s to mid-1960s.
Denny succeeded in "first-aid" repairs to fly most of these crashed planes out under own power, some of them were towed or floated by barge.
It is interesting to read what was acceptable as working circumstances, being mostly out in the Arctic North, 19-hour working days, freezing cold, sleeping in tents...
Thoroughly enjoyed reading this book!
Pity the insurance companies ceased this patching-up-getting-them-home business, Denny could have written more books!
Most chapters describe one event, I've tried to list the type of aircraft, tailnumber and/or operator/owner:
*=information provided by Bob Cameron (Feb.2011):
In Feb.2017 Bob wrote me: "About those two you previously showed 'sans' registration (Cessna 180 - Peterson's Air Service CF-LCA) and the Beaver (Connelly-Dawson Airways CF-GYK).
|Crash site of Royal Canadian Air Force Canso A 11007 revisited by © Dirk Septer 2009 in .PDF format|
In aug.2015 I received following request (on which I had no information to offer:
This is some of the Wikipedia info:
Aviation Safety Network (ASN) on CF-CPC' disappearance
If you have any info to offer, please email the webmaster (pls state the url/link you are referring to)
An item on Facebook (Feb.2016) quoted a link to the Urban Ghosts website, showing a stranded C-47 at Isachsen. The website quoted the photographer as Derrick Midwinter who displayed the images on Flickr.com.
Derrick replied me: "Happy to provide these images for your website!"
|Don Todd shared these memories with me in June 2016:
"I am a Canadian Metis pilot from Western/Northern Canada.
Started flying in the 1970's and am still holding a CDN ATPL. I was an accident investigator in CASB in 80's and overseas in the CAA of PNG, Namibia and Botswana.
I have investigated over 35 aircraft & rotary types in many remote locations.
I was interested in your site because I started flying as crew in NWT based out of Ft Smith in 1973 on a single otter on floats belonging to Buffalo Airways.
It was with a pilot named Walter Harms who I lost track of as years passed. He was from B.C. and taught school in the off season.
That summer we took accident investigators to a tragic accident when 2 Canso water bombers collided not that far from Fort Smith near a lake; possibly it was near Pilot Lake, just north along a river and another lake...
Around 1974, when I was in Red Deer, a man named Gordon Magnuson, whom I worked for (as a load master on a
I am now 64 and only a few more years to work in Aviation except to instruct PPL's because I hold a instructors rating still. I often work in Africa now in humanitarian programs; we see so many crash sites of Russian planes, they are scattered all over the region of Kenya, Sudan, DRC and Uganda. That's another story!
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