Unidentified DC-3's as holiday home near Madrid,Spain

 

 

 
Ron Mak came across these two DC-3's at Villanueva del Pardillo -near Madrid,Spain- in 1991.
According to the owner it concerned two former Iberia DC-3's. Present status? EMAIL

DC-3s at Villanueva del Pardillo, 1991
EC-AGS?

DC-3s at Villanueva del Pardillo, 1991
" observe the scrap yard image of damage to the port lower nose panel, which is ripped open from the front backwards."


EC-AGS?

EC-AGS?

Unidentified? Over a gully?

Ron added in Feb.2021: "...that was not easy, not at all visible from the public road, after a lot of questions in the village we arrived at that place.
My ex wife Hanneke spoke good Spanish, had lived for years in Spain.
A friendly woman, who had lived there, admitted us to the DC-3s. She said that these DC-3s were from Iberia, and had come to Villanueva del Pardillo by truck from Madrid; she had lived there herself, but upon our visit no longer did.

I got the information about these two DC3s from Mike Bursell's 'European Wrecks & Relics' (ISBN 0 904597 76 8, 1989), so the location was correct, otherwise we would never have got there.
I'll quote: 'Some 25 km North West of Madrid can be found a C-47 and C-54 (?) which have been converted by a Spanish family to form a holiday home. Unfortunately no further details are available but the aircraft were current during 1987. Further investigation required.'

Ron continued: "There never was a DC-4 there, according to the family.
I had also looked for details, such as c/n data plates or registrations, but unfortunately nothing at all.
And I have looked on Google Earth, but found nothing; they were really closed in between the trees."


Cozy...
Comments on the identity welcomed !!

 

Comments (as posted on Yahoo's DC-3 eGroup; dead link by Feb.2021):
  • Villanueva del Pardillo / owner unknown / type C-47 / registration ? / c/n ? / stored, holiday home built of a former Iberia C-47 fuselage, together with a Douglas C-54 Skymaster fuselage
  • In december 1991 I have visited both Dakota's (there is NO C-54). These are former Iberia DC-3's and only the fuselages were present. It was also possible to have a look inside, but it was not possible to find any ID's. There was a bathtub inside the cockpit !!!
    The location is between Villaneuva del Pardillo and Villafranca del Castillo (closer to the latter) along road M509. About 25km NorthWest of Madrid. If you ask in the village, people can help you.
  • I have a note saying they could be EC-ACL (c/n 12154 ?) and EC-ACK (c/n 20405 ?) but no confirmation.
  • José Ramón Valero wrote me in march 2012:
    "They are not EC-ACK/ACL for sure, since these registrations were never used.
    These two DC-3 were transferred to Ejército del Aire as T.3-1 and 2.
    T.3-1 had and accident at Tenerife.

    The most probably both are EC-AEJ and EC-AGS, since they were the last Iberia DC-3 in service and were scrapped at Madrid on Nov. 1973.
    EC-AHA was also in service, but it was sold flyable."
    Best regards
    José Ramón Valero
    Registro Español de Aeronaves (no oficial)
    www.aire.org/rnac
    socio de Aire 105

    Hans Hoogers wrote me in june 2015 (in Dutch, translation by RL-Webmaster):

    Could these not be EC-AGS en EC-AQE ?
    According to this link www.aviationcorner.net/show_photo_en.asp?id=105523 they were around 1975 seen at a scrapyard near Madrid (south of).
    Pure speculation, but still..?
    And I wonder if the DC-3s in your photos are still in place?"

    I have copied the text with that link-
    'Location & date:Desconocido (Spain) 1975'
    'En Madrid, en la carretera de Andalucia, antes de llegar a Getafe, habia un desguace donde solia haber restos de aviones. En la foto, los restos de este DC-3 de Iberia (que no puedo afirmar con seguridad que sea el EC-AGS, en cuyo caso creo seria el EC-ASG). En este mismo desguace estuvieron los restos del EC-AQE de Spantax, del cual tambien tengo fotos.'

    About EC-AQE I received following reaction:"Picture of AQE without cockpit (Oct.1973) on this link, so this seems not the one at Villaneuva del Pardillo!"
    http://aviation-safety.net/photos/displayphoto.php?id=19720930-0&vnr=1&kind=C
    The photos above have too much fuselage remaining if one compares it with the 1973 image here.


    David McCartney, from Cheshire, UK wrote me in July 2020:
    "Are the two Douglas C-47 'caravans' still located at Villanueva del Pardillo? I have looked closely on Google Earth but am unable to find them...
    Perhaps Ron Mak could get some rough co-ordinates from memory by studying GE ?

    Some simple detection work and close inspection of the C47 fuselage 'minus the nose cone' confirms that one is EC-AGS.
    www.aviationcorner.net/show_photo_en.asp?id=105523
    Simply compare the above link, and observe the scrap yard image of damage to the port lower nose panel, which is ripped open from the front backwards.
    Now compare the identical panel on the colour photograph, it is still identically detached from the fuselage, and has been roughly pushed back in place.
    Also the radio antenna behind the cockpit is identical in its hooped design.
    Sometimes you have to take investigations back to basics to achieve success !
    No doubt the other airframe could be identified using similar methods.
    If the airframes are still extant, I will visit the location and be happy to provide further comparative evidence to 100% confirm my theory."

    DC-3 EC-AGS Iberia history
    History of C-47A / DC-3 C.3 c/n 13479 by ATDB.aero (screendump 23Feb2021)
    That remark "Scrapped at MAD (preserved as summer residence nr Villafranca del Castillo, road M509, NW Madrid ?)" is particular interest. But the M509 seems more to be associated with Villanueva del Pardillo...

    There are no hi-res images on GE for the 1990s, but I noticed that in 2002 Villanueva del Pardillo hardly existed.
    From an earlier contribution: "The location is between Villaneuva del Pardillo and Villafranca del Castillo (closer to the latter) along road M509. About 25km NorthWest of Madrid. If you ask in the village, people can help you."
    Location, location...

     

    Recent sightings and/or photos would be welcomed, as well as help in establishing the identities of these former airliners.

     

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    Created: 06-apr-08