Please help to solve the mysteries of their identities:



Rolf Larsson sent me these two Li-2 photos with hope for identification
Li-2 unidentified 1980s Czechoslovakia
Rolf wrote: "probably both taken in Czechoslovakia, sofar defied identification. The Li-2 with the OK-roundel
on the fin was taken by my friend Jonny Andersson in Kamenný mlýn on 11May1983. Still there? If not, fate?"

Li-2 unidentified 1980s Czechoslovakia
"I have no info at all regarding the other Li-2 (red star on the fin), any clues? It almost looks at it was taken at
the same location as the one in Kamenný mlýn, could it be the same one but pictured earlier or later than May 1983?"

Images on Google Earth don't go further back than 2002, then and at present shows no aeroplane on display.
Kamenný mlýn on Google Maps pinpoints Kamenný mlyn, Trnava, Slowakia - but seems 2 different locations.
Kamenný mlyn on Google Earth has a nearby airfield: Piešťany Airport next to Kuchyna. G.Earth + G.Maps don't
show hi-res imagery. Here's a candidate, ca.175km NE of Kamenný mlyn at Banska Bystrica...
Li-2 at open air museum of SNP in Banska Bystrica, Slovakia.
Li-2 (c/n 23442105) at open air museum of SNP in Banska Bystrica, Slovakia. [Website] Also: has a photo with the following caption: 'This Li-2 was delivered to the Czechoslovak AF as D-29 in
August 1952 and wfu (as 2105) in August 1966. The plane has been displayed in these fake Soviet markings in the grounds of the Museum of Slovak National Uprising since approximately January 1985.'
But... has another Li-2 (OK-BYQ, c/n 23442309), in metal c/s 'preserved at the Letecké Múzeum Slávnica of Aeroklub Dubnica', aprox. 60km from Kamenný mlýn... So, yes both Li-2 photos Rolf sent could be the same aircraft
but they could two different airframes, both moved to another location: the distances for ground transport are doable!

From my own files 'OK-BYQ transported 20July2008 from Nova Dubnica to Slavnica airfield for continued preservation. Ln 12Jul11 restored and preserved @Dubnica nad Vahom Airfield, Slovak Republic.'


Alfredo Rodriguez‎ shared some Convair images on Facebook:
"Convair 580 abandoned. At Oro Negro airport (SVON/CBS) Cabimas, Zulia state, Venezuela. July 31, 2011."
Convair at Oro Negro Airport, Venezuela.
I tried googling YV-2448 + YV-2446 + YV-2448C + YV-2446C: nil found. Fake registry?
Same, no hits, for googling 'convair oro negro'. Hence a candidate for this gallery!
In below detailed research I concluded it to be CV580 c/n 176, ex/ C-GFHF.

I tried for a search on 'Convair' + 'Venezuela' but showed no photos of a Convair in this livery.
The same for (browsed 44 pages of Convair pics); or perhaps this C-GFHF (c/n 176) is a candidate?

Yes, gotcha! A photo on shows the same livery while with Hydro-Québec (C-GFHF) in June 2000!
Except, C-GFHF (/n 176) is still active, as HK-4334 with Aviheco, according shows a fleet of 5 Convair (CV580) with Hydro-Québec.
C-GFHH (c/n 109), also ex/ Hydro-Québec, but according to ATDB scrapped in Canada. See further down.
C-GQBP (c/n 137) went from H-Q to Pionair Australia, its status is 'VH-PDL Derelict at SYD-Bankstown' (ATDB).
C-GTTA (c/n 501) is the last of the H-Q Convairs, via Australia ended up at Abbotsford (C-GYXS), derelict.
A process of deduction:
We can eliminate C-GYXS, as there is a 2015 photo stored at Abbotsford.
C-GTTA, as C-GYXS stored at Abbotsford (2015) on
C-GQBP has a 2006 photo of VH-PDL in Australia. What are the chances it went to Venezuela?
C-GFHH (c/n 109) crashlanded Sep.2000 at La Grande, Canada (
C-GFHF, back to this c/n 176 as the likely candidate!
Aviheco reads like a helicopter company. is dead

I did find a photo of HK-4334, on, dated Dec.2006: stored at Bogota, Colombia "Stored in BOG for quite a while now. Two years after the ramp tour this bird still live in the same place awaiting for its return flight someday."
I found on 'Reg: HK-4334 Date Reg: 20-SEP-04 Owner: AVIONES
Y HELICOPTEROS DE COLOMBIA "AVIHECO S. A." Status: PROVISIONAL'. So CV580 c/n 176 probably never operated for AviHeCo; and what are the chances it flew out to Mexico, had another provisional (or fake) registration painted on... ? Very likely I would say!

Alfredo Rodriguez shared a close up of the registration: YV-2448!
Convair CV580 YV-2448, by Alfredo Rodriguez

"First noted there in Jan.'10 according to Google Earth, so probably moved in 2009 from Colombia." ¬A.Avrane/ATDB
'.. that last escape hatch is notably unpainted, comparing HK-4334 on and this YV-2448.' ¬F. Streep
And '..the Convair was reg'd 25May04 as HK-4334X for Aviheco SA - Aviones y Helicopteros de Colombia.
That was revised on 20Sep04 to HK-4334. In April 2008 this CV580 was still at Bogotá, but gone in in Nov. 2009.
In Jan. 2010 it was first sighted at Oro Negro near Cabimas gezien.' ¬A. van der Voet/



Grumman Mallard, unidentified, at YYJ - by Ken Swartz (2007)
Grumman G-73 Mallard at Victoria IAP-YYJ - (Photo: Ken Swartz, 2007).
Bill Bailey provided the identity here: "N628SS c/n J-28, originally N2970, flown by VISS in the US Virgin Islands. It was heavily damaged by Hurricane Hugo in Sep.'89 and it never flew again, It drifted around to various owners
until finally ending up in Victoria in March, 2006." (ASN report).
Website has a photo showing the destruction of Mallards N628SS, N655SS and N632SS.
Registration Cancel Date: 2007-06-13.

From Ken's gallery on my website.


Jerry Vernon, (President, Vancouver Chapter, Canadian Aviation Historical Society) kindly forwarded (jan.2020) photos by Eric Lund and details of research into a number of DeHavilland bushplane wrecks.
'This is the result of an email exchange, back and forth, between myself, Neil Aird and Karl E. Hayes'. Photos by Eric Lund.

Jerry wrote: "Eric Lund made several visits to the location since he first spotted the hulks on 24Dec19. More seem to be arriving every few days since then.
Upon his last visit, there were the remains of at least 5 Otters and 2 Beavers at this property in Delta, B.C.; they are came from a property at Sedro Woolley, WA. (North Sound Aviation).
They were formerly owned by James Hayton (North Sound Aviation) and/or the daughter of the late Harold Hansen. They are apparently destined for a rebuild shop on Vancouver Island at the Courtenay Air Park, Courtenay (near Comox).
Between Karl E. Hayes, Neil Aird and myself, we have identified all of the hulks by their colour schemes and markings!"

DeHavilland wrecks, River Road (B.C.) by Eric Lund (2019)
A fuselage marked 'Latham' on the left and the fuselage.
Lying next to it is an Otter fuselage with the remains of a roundel on it. Jerry wrote: "We've confirmed as RCAF 9410, destroyed in RCAF service. I used to fly in 9410 at 442 (Aux) Sqn.!"

Eric drove along River Road and was surprised to see several aircraft hulks in a yard at the corner of River Road and 68th Street.
On Christmas Day he took several photos of DHC-2 Beaver and DHC-3 Otter pieces lying in the yard. See these five.
The stuff looks pretty bad, like it has been lying outside in the weather for a long time.
When he came back Jan.2nd there were more hulks lying there than on the day before! He counted 5 Otters and 2 Beavers (that had not been there on the 24th) and a wing marked 'GHYJ' (Otter c/n 371, former C-GHYJ, but is now flying actively with Whistler Air (part of the Harbour Air Group) as C-GEND!

Jerry wrote: "One of the Beaver fuselages is white with a green stripe and the name Latham Island Airways.
I suspect it could be remnants of C-FEYZ (Beaver c/n 556), which crashed in 1986 and has apparently been passed around through various ownership as wreckage since that time.
Neil shows the last Canadian owner as Seaflight Industries in Delta. Between us we've confirmed it as C-FEYZ." photos and a long, remarkable career.

DeHavilland wrecks, River Road (B.C.) by Eric Lund (2019)
Hard to read '9410' in this..? A better photo would be welcomed (EMAIL)

Jerry Vernon added some history here: "RCAF 9410 met a sticky end!
When No.442 Sqdn and No.443 Sqdn were disbanded on 31Mar64, our four amphib Otters were distributed to other Auxiliary Squadrons in the East.
9410 went to No.400 (Aux) Squadron in Toronto. In 1971 it flipped over on landing on a lake, with the gear down. As if that wasn't bad enough, it was trucked to Trenton on a lowbed truck, but the tail fin and rudder were left on. The Army truck driver took out a number of overhead wires without doing too much damage to the aircraft, but a road overpass eventually ripped off the upper tail fin and rudder!
It laid around as a training aid for a number of years and was sold as scrap.

An Otter website ( shows that the wreckage of 9410 went to Harold Hansen at Sedro Woolley,WA. The wreckage here was among those retrieved from Sedro Woolley.
It was more recently re-registered to his daughter, Donna Hansen. Probably because Harold passed away and this may explain why the stuff from Sedro Woolley is migrating back to Canada.

I have some nice slides of 9410 in RCAF service, when I used to fly around the BC Coast in it. Sometimes the pilot would even let me drive it a bit!"


DeHavilland wrecks, River Road (B.C.) by Eric Lund (2019)
Beaver c/n 556 (C-GEYZ) & Otter c/n 380 (RCAF 9410), plus an upper right a wing marked 'GHYJ'. The latter
of interest because 'that Otter' is still in operational service!

Karl's Otter monograph on the deHavilland DHC-3 Otter shows C-GHYJ as c/n 371, as an ex-US Army Otter; it was last registered to Contact Air of Fort McMurray and deregistered in 1990.
His on-line updates show it as a Vazar conversion, going to C-GEND with Whistler Air Services, repainted in a 'sky and mountain' paint scheme. Returned to Whistler Air in 2007; see my recent West Canada 2019 report, for a full history of this aircraft!

Regarding the long history of c/n 371, it is apparent that it was several times during its career. And at one point there has been some mixing of parts pieces of more than one Otter!
It was wrecked during serivice with the US Army service and sold as a hulk to Harold Hansen at Boeing Field. An early photo at Hansen's Boeing Field hulks may be of help, perhaps offering one with the blue or orange cheatline?!

Another crash occurred in Alaska in 1986, with major damage as a result. And laid around as a wreck with various owners until 1999. Again later rebuilt using the front end of another Otter (!) and re-reg'd as C-GEND.
So a chance there to fiddle the identity!
Converted to a Vazar-turbine at YVR in 1999 and c/n 371 recorded as recent, as C-GEND, on my West Canada 2019 report.
So these 'unidentified' hulks may be the disgarded bits after composite rebuilts or repairs, traded for scrap value, hoping they may be sold and live on as a 'future project'.
EMAIL - state url of relevant webpage!

For details and photos of 371 under rebuilt, see which appears to show a different (or rebuilt??) centre fuselage attached to the rear end of the original 371.

DeHavilland wrecks, River Road (B.C.) by Eric Lund (2019)

DeHavilland wrecks, River Road (B.C.) by Eric Lund (2019)
Otter c/n 126 (CF-PNV), ex/ La Ronge Aviation Services. Ex/ RAF in the Antarctic!

Was this stuff some of the remnants of Pacific Air Salvage, that was operated by the late Al Beaulieu at YVR? Beaulieu had a reputation for being able to build 'new' Beavers and Otters out of nothing more than a data plate, some wreckage and spares! Conclusion: this is NOT Beaulieu material!)

There are several metal buildings on the site and two new 'Quonset hut' type canvas shelters. These do not appear on the 2018 Google Earth or Google Street View images, but are on the June 2019 satellite image (but no sign of aircraft on the latest Google Earth shot).

Screendump of Google Maps:
Location of deHavilland wrecks, Delta, B.C.
The address is 7185 68th Street and the property owner (left) is assumed to be (or was) one Margaret Brown.
It appears that these Beaver and Otter plane wrecks are in the process of being moved onto this property,
with the two new buildings..? A temporary home?

DeHavilland wrecks, River Road (B.C.) by Eric Lund (2019)
Otter c/n 271 (CF-MPW), ex/ RCMP. Karl E. Hayes confirmed it as '271', not '270' (see box further down).

From my (RL -webmaster) own files, regarding DHC-3 Otter c/n 271 (CF-MPW):
'CF-MPW, displayed at the RCMP Heritage Centre but was told on visit 22Sep07 that it (cockpit only) had not moved to the new (2007) museum, but confirmed the aircraft (cockpit) still in collection, while stored. The intention was to be put back on display as fun item for kids.' ¬Shannon Cunningham/Curator, RCMP Heritage Centre.


DeHavilland wrecks, River Road (B.C.) by Eric Lund (2019)
Otter c/n 271 (CF-MPW) and Otter c/n 326 (CF-ORI).

I received following information after completing this post and sharing it on Facebook.
"All the Beaver and Otter wrecks were purchased by a private individual. A total of 9 Beaver airframes and 5 Otter - but not enough parts to build more than one Otter...
The proposed plan of action is to rebuild the structure components and sell them off individually, including fuselages.
I have a list of serial numbers the previous owner claims the aircraft to be, but have yet to confirm their true identity as not all the tech records or data tags are available.
They were all purchased from North Sound Aviation and moved to the farm in Delta.

The Otter fuselages are said to be SN 126, SN 380, SN 176, SN 326, SN 459, SN 222 and SN 270. ALTHOUGH... I have Otter SN 270 in a container here at my shop, which we bought from Promech Air. So I believe the one identified as 270 is actually SN 271.
The Beavers are said to be SN 622, SN 344, SN 257, SN 858, SN 1435, SN 724, SN 556, SN 202 AND SN 17. C-FOBZ (c/n 17) is currently being rebuilt in our shop."

From the AP Aviation Services facebook page; I am assuming this is DHC-3 c/n326 (CF-ORI):
DHC-3 being removed from Sedro Woolley,WA
Being loaded up for transport at Sedro Woolley,WA.
I (RL- webmaster) received the thumbs up from AP Aviation Services to share this info, as at this time (Jan.2020) they are handling all the aircraft related business for this private owner. As time goes AP Aviation Services are looking to sell everything.
For the time being all the aircraft parts will be stored on the farm and each one or part will be moved to Courtenay for repair.
AP Aviation Svcs are looking at starting a core exchange program for everything right down to complete fuselages.
The plan is to assemble each airframe structure to be sold complete with wings and flight controls minus alm [sic] the smaller items.
Example, a customer has a Beaver corroded and in need of overhaul. He contacts AP and they provide the airframe swap of all his serviceable components to the new airframe, reducing the turn around time on overhauls.

AP Aviation Services perform miracles with rebuilding DeHavilland airframes, such as these pics of DHC-2 c/n 17:
DHC-2 c/ 17 being rebuilt by AP Aviation Services (2019/2020)
Neil Aird's has a detailed history plus many historic photos of CF-OBZ / C-FOBZ.

On a different subject, meet Jerry Vernon being interviewed by CBC News at the D-Day 75th anniversary commemorating the Normandy landings: YouTube.

DeHavilland wrecks, River Road (B.C.) by Eric Lund (2019)
DHC-3 Otter 271 c/n (CF-MPW) & DHC-2 Beaver c/n 257 (C-GVHT)
Beaver C-GVHT was a fatal crash on Vancouver Island with 5 killed. See for a full history.
It also has the details of the accident: 4mi. NE of Mackenzie Lake, 40mi. N of Port Hardy,BC on 13Aug2001.


Tailsection at Red Deer (2019): N287?

History of L.188 N287F by

Jörg Wilkening from Germany responded here: "I'm sure that tail is from Electra c/n 1148, last reg N287F,
last operator Lynden Air Cargo (note the green stripe!). She 'rested' at Abbotsford from 1998 to 2012, then scrapped. Several pieces (including the tail) went to Air Spray at Red Deer!"
Check 2009 photo at Abbotsford, it certainly does fit the bill!


Kenneth Swartz shared this photo of stored & derelict N287F at Abbotsford:
L.188 N287F derelict at Abborsford, by Ken Swartz
More propliners by Kenneth Swartz on my website see KEN's GALLERY



Mike Smyth sent me this photo IN oCT.2019 with hope to get this Convair identified!
'Las Vegas Express' Convair by Mike Smyth

Mike wrote: "I’ve just been looking through your Florida ‘92 page. (Webmaster: referring to CV580 N584PL (c/n 115) of Lincoln Airlines, stored at Opa Locka).
I have been trying to find the identity of the ‘Las Vegas Express’, which was used in the ‘Cannonball Run 2’ film. This seems to have the identical colour scheme, but N584PL flew on after the date when the film was made.. Which would mean that the third ‘engine’ was removed and the ‘plane was restored to flying condition..?
Can you help at all? [EMAIL]

Some helpful information to determine a timeline of sorts:
"The Cannonball Run is a 1981 American comedy film starring Burt Reynolds, Roger Moore, Dom DeLuise, Farrah Fawcett, and an all-star supporting cast.
The film is based on the 1979 running of an actual cross-country outlaw road race beginning in Connecticut and ending in California. It was one of 1981's most successful films at the box office. It was followed by Cannonball Run II (1984), and Speed Zone (1989).
This and the 1984 sequel were the final film appearances of actor Dean Martin." [Wikipedia]

History of c/n 115 by ATDB online aviation database:
History by of Convair c/n 115
Here we see that at some point the titles of my 1992 N584PL have been removed, but we're looking at use ca.1983-84!
YLW = Kelowna, B.C.

ATDB shows 15 Convair aircraft in the fleet of Air Transport Int'l / Air Traffic Service

This is from the book The Convairliner Story by J.M.Gradidge (Air-Britain; 1997)
History of Convair cn115
C/n 115 was rereg'd N584PL on 02Jun81, to Air Traffic Service 11Jun82. ATDB shows the latter was an alias
for Interstate Airlines (1981-1988, based in Detroit,MI), which changed to Air Transport Int'l (ATI) and saw
other takeovers, different names, shareholders etc. Not of interest here.
Would an operator facilitate filming with such a makeover on an airworthy aircraft? Perhaps unlikely.

So I searched ‘Las Vegas Express’ in database and came up with: operator: ‘$Fiction’, aircraft: T-29 (CV240)
53-3546, c/n 52-92
and info "wreck reused 12/88-4/89 in Tucson as 'Jet Convair' with titles 'Las Vegas Express' for movie "Cannonball 3"[sic] using parts from 707/727"... Fate: scrapped at Davis-Monthan.




Part of a photo by Chris Hale (a selfie was cropped) was published on Facebook for the unidentified Beech 18 we
see here at Nome,AK. Photo taken 29Jun19.
Unidentified Beechcraft C-45 at Nome in June 2019
It does not look like a crashed wreck, but if it is I may have two candidates:

Bob Parmerter reacted with the proper identification: "Ruud, it's C-45H N460K AF-753. I have a 2008 photo
of it there showing the registration and 2 portholes with sheet metal cutout."

Bob Parmerter's history on AF-753:
'C-45H 52-10823 USAF Remanufactured by Beech from T-7 43-56762 c/n 4381.
Delivered MATS 1816 ACSWG, Orlando 15Jul54. MTC Chanute Jun57. Davis-Monthan AFB transf by GSA Mar60 & reg’d N9407Z to Dept. of Public Safety, Oklahoma City, OK [OK Hwy Patrol Unit flew it for the Governor].
Re-reg’d as N460K (CAR Nov61, Jun63). George C. Clayton, Fairbanks, AK for $5,757.57 (CAR Jul64, Jan72). Merric Inc, Fairbanks, AK (CAR Jan73, Jan74).
Era Helicopters, Anchorage, AK (CAR Jul75, Jan78). Alaska Airmotive, Anchorage, AK (Aug78, Aug79).
Foster Avn, Nome, AK (CAR Aug80). James M. Johnson, Nome, AK reg’d Nov81.
Gussic Ventures Inc, Unalakleet, AK reg’d 26Oct88.
Registration canx 13Nov91.
Photograph in the City of Nome Fire Training Center dump, AK Jul00 & Apr14 derelict.'

This webpage has N460K incorrectly attributed to Taigh Ramey (Stockton,CA:) 2018 USA Census
FAA's N-inquiry page has Gussic Ventures Inc as last owner and Reg Cancel date 13Nov91.

Andreas B. Morgner shared this photo with me, Oct.2019:
Abandoned C-45 at junkyard in Nome, Alaska
Andreas found this photo on

Check out

So none of those below which I thought to be candidates hit the mark. Oh well. So you don't make the same mistake:
Beech C-45 N765D (c/n A-818) crashed & burned 1997 according to a photo on: (1981)
Beechcraft G18 N340K (BA-605) crashed less than 10km outside Nome on its way to Gambell on a mail flight. Date: 1995, operator Bering Air.




Roadside Beech 18 on the I-25, south of Augusta,GA

Am looking for the identity & details (tailnumber, previous owners & operators) of this Beech 18 roadside on the I-25 in Georgia, south of Augusta. While it is on Google's sat imagery (above, April 2019), it is not yet on streetview; so it must be a recent change..?
I posted this on Facebook's Beech 18/ C45/ AT11/ SNB Group and this led to various helpful suggestions!

Larry Wixom wrote: "I live in GA. It was along HWY 20 on the north side of it. The plane has been removed. Taken down about 18 months ago. Not sure where it went."
Terry Fletcher: "I think this will be the aircraft at Martinez, GA . From what I can find the site was known as Funsville back in the 1990s, changed its name to Adventure Crossing in 2008 before closing in 2016.
On Aerial Visuals we have a 02May16 photograph - but the identity of the airframe remains unknown, although Geoff Goodall has N7131 as unconfirmed registration on his website."

Nigel Aylmer sent me these 'before & after' photos: first at Martinez (Adventure Crossing)...
Unidentified Beech UC-45, roadside Georgia - by Nigel Aylmer

Unidentified Beech UC-45, roadside Georgia - by Nigel Aylmer
And here on the I-25, south of Augusta, at Taylor Bros. X-press; nicely decorated now, even if it is advertisement!

Nigel wrote: "Sorry I can't help with a positive id for this aircraft. I believe it to be the same airframe that used to be at an amusement park west of Augusta, along the side of the I-20, possibly Funville? The Coca Cola scheme is current, the other at its previous location, I believe it was yellow in the 2000s."

This website also has it reported, albeit not in its current position, US Census : 'N7131' UC-45J On display at Funsville theme park, Martinez, Georgia. Real identitiy unknown.
Same as Date of status: 2003

So I started to dig a bit around the history of the amusement park.
Funsville, a.k.a. Adventure Crossings (Georgia)
This is a screendump dated Nov.2015, it still shows the red Beech C-45 at Funsville a.k.a. Adventure Crossings.
The park's adress was 4350 Wheeler Rd, Augusta, GA 30907 but most often referred to as @Martinez,GA.

( Adventure-Crossing-fun-park-permanently-closed- By Alma McCarty [Nov 09, 2016] MARTINEZ, Ga. (WRDW/WAGT) -- 'The fun park Adventure Crossing closes it's doors for good. The owner of the park tells News 12 NBC 26 the news of the closing came as a surprise to the 25 workers. Eight of them were full time employees.
He says it came down to a business deal between an interested buyer and the landowners, with the location and offer too good to pass up. "It's going to be very missed and I think people will really realize what a gem it is now that it's no longer here," said Michael Brown.
Brown bought the park back in April 2015. Since then, he's poured blood, sweat and tears, not to mention money, into the business. t always easy over the years.'

Move of the red Beech C-45 to roadside I-25 (Georgia)
I think we can safely assume this red Beech C-45 (even way back its id unknown, but referred to as 'N7131') is
the same as it was gone at one place and reappeared at the other only 25 miles away. 'N7131' was there on Google Earth 3/2017 but gone by 11/2017. Hopefully that suggestion it may have once been yellow will lead to its identity, although I noticed in Robert K. Parmerter's 'bible' on the Beech 18 ('A Civil & Military History', published in 2004
by The Staggerwing Museum Foundation) his index on page 444 also noted it as N7131/Unidentified C-45 and as
'Yellow & red / 2002 / on poles at Funsvile, Martinez,GA' - so we need to go further back than that...



Christopher Koberg published a series of images on Facebook's Aviation Wrecks & Relics, in March 2019; he wrote:
"Photos taken July 6, 2017 at Wades Salvage Inc in Atco New Jersey. An amazing jumble of scrapped airplanes
and ground vehicles." One photo esspecially drew my attention:
DC-4 or DC-6 forward fuselage at Wades Salvage Inc., at Atco,NJ (2017)
I found Wade Salvage (or Wade's) near Berlin,NJ - a little east of Philadelphia.
It looks like a DC-4/6/7 to me there in the back. That all black nose: an early FAA colour-scheme perhaps?
Anyone with an identity (or any information at all, previous owner, location) of this propliner? EMAIL

Through the Facebook page of Wade Salvage I came across a link to Munchel Photography, who had visited this
salvage yard for a photo opportunity. More 'propliners', as well as cars and busses and whatnot, was photographed.
Planes at Wade Salvage, New Jersey

Andy Patsalides has this on his account. Taken on June 18, 2018.
DC-4 or DC-6 forward fuselage at Wades Salvage Inc., at Atco,NJ (2017)
Bill Dolan wrote: "The badge on the side identifies it as an Federal Aviation administration aircraft. Hard to tell what model."

Hector Vazquez sent me this photo, taken in 2015:
Douglas wreck at Wade Salvage, Atco,NJ (2015)
Douglas wreck at Wade Salvage, Atco,NJ (2015).
The badge seems to be of the FAA:
FAA insignia

Christian Tendick wrote: "I did a little research out of curiosity, .. it’s a 6 or 7 because of the radar nose. The FAA owned a few 6s and 7s, but only 6Bs and those went to secondary operators.
Because of the small crew door, I am guessing it’s the nose from DC-7 N464 that had a nose gear collapse at Washington Dulles while operating with the FAA in July of 64.
It was not repaired."

Accident report on ASN: 30Jul64
'The aircraft suffered a nose gear collapse after landing. Apparently the aircraft has been repaired as it was seen in Columbus in April 1972.' has DC-7 N464 (c/n 44127) as ' Destroyed (controlled crash for cabin flammability rules)'.
Well, that latter remark may suggest the cockpit survived, right..? EMAIL

Christian Tendick again: "Not all DC-7s had the larger crew door. You see a small one on DC-7BF (ex-AA)
N381AA next to a C-118.
This is why I thought it may be DC-7 N464, which was also an ex-AA 'straight early' DC-7. Possibly only American Airlines ordered the small door on theirs, not sure if any others did."

And more proplinere here at Wade Salvage..
Planes at Wade Salvage, New Jersey
Also a DC-4/6/7 candidate, different from the above but equally unidentified! Probably (see outline of
the cheatline) the same DC-6 as below.

Such a surprise to me to find so many plane wrecks ('propliners') here @Wade Salvage (Atco,NJ)!
Unidentified plane wreck at Wade's Salvag (Atco,NJ)
It has a distinctive cheatline: John Adkins found a likely candidate in DC-6B N90756 (c/n 43268)

John Adkins suggested: "Look behind the service door--there appears to be two windows, then a space. That would be a DC-6B, and N90739 (my photos in the Ted Quackenbush gallery) was a straight DC-6.
N90739's cheatline was a solid red (newer repaint), not the AA int'l orange color; it didn't have the word 'American' painted over inside the cheatline either.
Looking for some derelict AA DC-6B candidates? How about N90756, which sat on the Hamilton Aviation lot at TUS (Tucson,AZ -webmaster) for years. I don't know of its final disposition, but it did have the original (faded) int'l orange cheatline and the painted over titles just like the scrapped A/C photo above at Wade Salvage."

While I did not see 'space between two windows' and 'American painted over', but comparing various images online, including the one below, I think the two blemishes in the cheatline on the nose are distinctive enough to identify this airframe as N90756!
DC-6 N90756
Photo by David Reeves, from

Douglas DC-6B N90756 served no other master other than American Airlines, although FAA's data shows it was deregistered on 17May2013 from previous reg'd owner James D. Melvin. Perhaps he was the owner during the long period of storage at Tucson?


Another plane wreck, marked '994'. Distinctive difference in the cockpit windows, a British design?
Unidentified plane wreck at Wade's Salvag (Atco,NJ)
Andy Patsalides visited this salvage yard 18Jun18 and also noted the cockpit of 53-0210, a Boeing KC-97G, and several jets.
Nigel Aylmer wrote me in March 2019: " I looked at the photo of the airframe marked 99-4. I think the engines are nothing to do
with the airframe as I believe it is a Convair 880, possibly N804AJ, which was destroyed by the FAA at Atlantic City, NJ.
See the Munchel collection of pictures again: Convair 880 N807AJ is also in the Wade yard, full nose section laying on left side .
Also at least one Grumman C-1 Trader. Convair 880 N801AJ is with the Teterboro NJ museum."
Reactions? EMAIL

Wade Salvage, Atco,NJ
The adress, 382 Jackson Road

The FAA operated all the Douglas propliners, DC-3/4/6/7; here are screendumps of database (march 2019)
FAA Douglas types
Remains of DC-7's N464 & N68N may be candidates. The DC-6's seem all accounted for (operators after FAA use).
I have a feeling a DC-4/C-54 may be most likely as their use down the line dwindled before the DC-6. Problematic is 4 of these
C-54's have their 'fate ultimate obscured'.. (EMAIL)



C-54D 9Q-CBK
Douglas C-54D, 9Q-CBK; ex Royal Danish Air Force (N-625). @Luik-Bierset Airport, Belgium. 26Jan1978.
Its 'swingtail' conversion is clearly visible.

Ron provided the history of this aircraft (assuming c/n 10730) when he sent this photo:
'Delivered to the United States Army Air Force on 24May1945, as 42-72625; it was sold to the Royal Danish Air Force as K-625 in Jan.'65. Subsequently bought by the International Air Centre in January 1978, reg'd as 9Q-CBK, then reg'd registered as 9Q-CAU in February 1978.
This C-54D was destroyed during landing at Bunia in Zaire, on 28Aug78.' (Note this date is different from ASN's database, see below)

There seems to be a matter of confusing construction numbers for this airframe: both c/n (or msn) 10730 as well
as c/n 10452 seems be quoted for it.

My first source for such information is the online database.
ATDB has C-54B c/n 10452 for 9Q-CBK; fate: destroyed (M'Bamou Island, river Zaire at FIH). has for c/n 10452 9Q-CBG (also destroyed while in use with Kinair Cargo, in 1984). Obviously erroneous / incomplete as we will see further down.
Aviation Safety Network has this Douglas DC-4 'Swingtail' 9Q-CBK firmly identified as c/n 10452, damaged beyond repair on 23Aug88 at Île M'bamou (Congo): 'Crashed near Kinshasa'.
ASN has no crash details for the date of 28Aug78, as mentioned in the above quoted TAHS publication.

In my Dec.2007 TAHS publication 'Piston Engined Airliner Production List' (which I think is the last printed edition of this series) it has a significant history of c/n 10452 and noteworthy is the fact that registration 9Q-CBK was issued twice-
"42-72347 USAAF del. 18Nov44; N15845 Douglas Aircraft Company bt.'46; N95407 Northwest Airlines bt.'47; D-ANUK Transavia bt. July'57; OO-VAN C. van Antwerpen bt. July'59; Belgian Int'l Air Services; leased July'59; United Nations Congo leased '62; 9Q-CHB Congolese Gov't bt. 27Mar64; tranferred to Air Congo 06Apr64; 9Q-CBG Air Congo 20May64; converted to DC-4 Swingtail '66; Air Zaire 25Oct71; Zaire Aero Service bt.05Jul76; Kinair Cargo bt'84; 9Q-CBK(2) Kinair Cargo reregistered '85; Crashed M'Bamou Island, River Zaire, Zaire 23Aug88."

The above quoted publication has the following for c/n 10730-
"42-72625 Del. to the United States Army Air Force on 24May1945, as ; to the Royal Danish Air Force (721 Sqdn) as K-625, Jan.'65. 9Q-CBK International Air Center Jan.'78; rereg 9Q-CAU for same, in Feb'78; Destroyed by fire after overrunning runway whilst landing Bunia, Zaire 28Aug78".
So c/n 10730 was never converted to 'swingtail' and this is vital in identifying the airframe on the above photo.

See also Ron Mak's propliner galleries on my website: PAGE ONE | PAGE TWO | PAGE THREE

The socalled DC-6 SWINGTAILS explained on my website HERE...


Lockheed plane -unidentified- at the 2018 Burning Man manifestation
An unidentified 'Lockheed Twin' (Lockheed Lodestar, allegedly) at the 2018 Burning Man manifestation.
EMAIL write in subject #burning man 2018

In 2019 documented by Sean Keating (his gallery on my website) near California's Salton Sea. You'll find added info.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is an airframe hauled from the Aero Traders salvage yard near Ocotillo Wells;
several Lockheed airframes seen from aerial photos, but little or nothing on their previous identities.
More on this location, west of the Salton Sea, on my Photos by Friends & Guests #54




The airfield at Zuehl, Texas (not far from San Antonio) has several airframes stored, but these two initially defied
identification (could be recent additions). Photos shared by Scott Kordes on Facebook's 'General Aviation Junkyard'.
DC-6 forward fuselage, red cheatline, @Zuehl,TX - photo Scott Kordes
DC-6 forward fuselage, red cheatline, @Zuehl,TX - photo Scott Kordes
That red cheatline must bring candidates for a former operator, surely..?! READ ON!
Other identified airframes stored at Marion-Zuehl are: DC-6 N578AS, Beech 18s N9549Z & N9NK.

DC-6 forward fuselage, 616 on nose wheeldoors, @Zuehl,TX - photo Scott Kordes
DC-6 forward fuselage, '616' on wheeldoor, @Zuehl,TX - photo Scott Kordes

I knew that the owner of these airframes here at Marion-Zuehl Airfield had someting to do with Nighthawk Air Systems, formerly based on Willow Rin (YIP Airport). This was the basis for my research into these 2 airframes.
Comparing the red cheatline and white nose radome I found N111AP a candidate; this I found confirmed on ATDB.
N111AP is DC-6B/F (c/n 45218); history according to ATDB: DC-6B N6582C for Northeast AL, to Olympic
(SX-DAP), Concare Aircraft Leasing (N111AP), to Zantop Int'l AL (converted to freighter in april 1973), to
Trans Air Link (leased & returned), to Express net AL (N111AP), to Nighthawk Air Systems - 'Unused.
Scrapped at YIP (nose section to San Antonio-Marion Zuehl, TX).

In my own files I found it was already reported here at Zuehl in august 2009!

Then '616', which I initially thought had something to do with a US Navy BuNo. but by searching for '616' on I stumbled on DC-6A N616SE (c/n 44070) and again found this
confirmed on 'Express net AL, to NighthawkAir Systems - Unused. Scrapped at YIP
(nose section to San Antonio-Marion Zuehl,TX
This airframe was previously operated by Flying Tigers (N34954 - ordered but unused), Japan Airlines-JAL (JA6203), Transavia Airlines (PH-TRG), Germanair (D-ABAY), Transportflug (same), Elbeflug (same),
Belair Airlines (HB-IBV, but unused), Span East AL (N616SE), Express net AL and Nighthawks AS (same).

I think a local resident, James P. MacIvor, owns these airframes; he worked for or owned Nighthawk AS.
His name was mentioned in newspapers when local residents opposed the move of these propliners to Zuehl airfield.




Gerben Groothuis shared a number of images taken during 2017 in the US, struggling with their identities...

Beech 18
Unidentified Beech 18 at Nashua-Boire Airport,NH. (07Jun2017)

Bob Parmerter, expert on the Twin Beech, offered:
"The Nashua, NH head-on view is of 1956 E18S N125X BA-192.
Spent some time as C-FXKG for Gold Belt Air Transport, Pickle Lake 1996-2001 & suffered three (!) accidents (02Apr96 Webequie, ONT. lost control in crosswind landing, hit a snowbank; tail wheel & tail damaged. No injuries. 26Nov96 Muscrat Dam Arpt (MSA), ONT. in gear up landing. And 01Sep01 at International Falls, MN landed gear up. 1 uninjured.).
N125X for Denis G. Lison & Michael J. Farrey, Mason, NH; reg’d 07Sep01. Current."


Unidentified Beech 18 at Aero Traders (Chino,CA)
Gerben wrote: 'I came across a few airframes in the yard of Aero Traders and am looking for (confirmation of)
their identities. Could this be TC-45J N45681/42-5682 ??? EMAIL
Photos taken in May 2017.

B-26/B-50 cockpit at Aero Traders
Gerben wrote: 'Not many B-29/B-50’s left, so one would expect these would have been identified. But no so.
I suspect this nose section stems from China Lake, or perhaps it is a replica used for a Hollywood film..?'
B-26/B-50 cockpit at Aero Traders
Someone offered: ".. Probably either 44-70049 or 44-84084". Based on
"I think it’s neither of those as the cockpits were still with both of the B-29s at Borrego Springs last year and
this nose has been at Chino for ages." ¬Nigel Hitchman


Unidentified cockpits at Aero Traders (Chino,CA 2017)
"Obviously no propliners, but one of these Maroccan T-28 Trojans can be read/identified: N128RM (ex CN-AEK/52)
Details on N128RM: (Which indicates the yellow airframe above -Webmaster)


Unidentified Beechcraft 18/C-45’s in the American Airpower Museum (Farmingdale,NY)
Unidentified cockpits at American Airpower Museum
The names on these planes have little significance; "Sack Time (Sally)" (C-47, below) is a tribute to WW2 B-24
while the name "Slick Chick" is also a tribute, to WW2 B-17 bomber (albeit here without the nose art).
Probably been from a collector for whom fun was more important than authenticity.
Perhaps all from same collector? Jeff Clyman?
A famous nose art painter was Eugene 'Gene' Townsend, go see

Unidentified cockpits at American Airpower Museum (Farmingdale,NY)
Unidentified Beechcraft 18/C-45’s in the American Airpower Museum (Farmingdale,NY)
Titles that can be read: 'The Cockpit' + 'Slick Chick' + (no.3 has badge of AAM) + 'American Airpower Museum'

Unidentified C-47 cockpits
On the left, also at Farmingdale's AAM, an unidentified C-47 - named 'Sack Time'.
On the right: a similar nose not far away, on Long Island, in the Cradle of Aviation Museum (Garden City,NY - 04Oct2014)
On all of the above help on whatever details would be much appreciated! EMAIL


Unidentified mockup (?) at AAM, Farmingdale
In the background at the Farmingdale museum is this strange contraption which seems to resemble a bomber/cargoplane?

Terry Fletcher provided the information: " 'Teacher's Pet' is a travelling exhibit!
Listed on Eurodemobbed website , click the photo for 51-0004, note says 'HU-16B N16CA modified to resemble
WWII Bomber'." Which Terry saw back in 2008 at New Smyrna Beach,FL ->see
And did you know: In 1970, Conroy Aircraft marketed a remanufactured HU-16A with Rolls-Royce Dart turboprop
engines as the Conroy Turbo Albatross, but only the single prototype (registration N16CA) was ever built. ¬Wikipedia




Grant Newman visited the 'Civil Aviation Museum of China', in Beijing, on 20Sep2017.
He found the below aircraft defied identification... Help would be appreciated! (EMAIL - state url of page)
Grant Newman at Civil Aviation Museum of China in Beijing (9-2017)
Curtiss C-46 Commando
Little hope to identify this one as numerous attempts have been made, afaik.

Grant Newman at Civil Aviation Museum of China in Beijing (9-2017)
Lisinov Li-2

Grant Newman at Civil Aviation Museum of China in Beijing (9-2017)
Lisinov Li-2, 38068 or 38043??????

Grant Newman at Civil Aviation Museum of China in Beijing (9-2017)
Again not much to identify this airframe of a Y-5
Jürgen Scherbarth put an identification to this one (05Apr18): "The Y-5 at the Civil Aviation Museum in Beijing carried serial (B-)8807 back in 2011… (also cited as 8207, see below)".
Y-5 B-8807 at Civil Aviation Museum Beijing
Table provided by Jürgen Scherbarth

I never visited this museum, only the named Datangshan Air Museum (a.k.a. Beijing's Xiatangshan Air Museum) in 2002.
Grant's photos were taken at the China Civil Aviation Museum, which is at Chaoyang (Beijing city) and not @Xiaotangshan. Two different museums!

More of Grant's photos taken at this air museum:


Charlie's Hangar Surf Hostel DC-3(s)... These images were sent to me by Juergen Scherbarth last month.
These DC-3 defy identification as yet, several people have attempted to contact the right people but apparently to no avail
DC-3's Charie's Surfhostel
Juergen wrote here: "At least since 2014 two unidentified and disassembled C-47 fuselages, with detached wings and engines, were present at the current location. Note attached GE image dating 2015.
According to my information they’re still waiting to be identified.
Maybe ex/ PAF C-47s from former Nichols AB, Manila...?"
Full address: Surfers Road Urbiztondo, San Juan, La Union, Philippines
Charlie's Surf Hostel, Philippines

Ron Mak also noted these and added these images:
Charlie's Surf Hostel - unidentified DC-3's

Charlie's Surf Hostel - unidentified DC-3's
The adress is Surfer's Road, Brgy. Urbiztondo - 2514 San Juan (La Union).

Ron Mak wrote (webmaster's translation): 'This is on the Philippines, San Fernando is the nearest big town and there is a small airport nearby: La Union on the Luzon Sea; beautiful location, splendid beaches and magnificent scenery.
Check Google Earth, you'll be able to find Charlie's Surf Hostal and a 2nd DC-3 somewhat in ortherly direction nearby.
These 2 DC-3s probably originate from Manila's - Ninoy Aquino International; they are cleaning up the long-term stored (derelict) propliners, as with the recently moved Constellation (gone to HARS).
Many of the direlict wrecks seem to have disappeared without trace.
One can find a few ex/ Cebu Pacific DC-9s in and around the centre of Manila City, in parks and along roads. Left behind and abandoned. Even an Antonov An-24 somewhere...

The two DC-3's here have been identified (source Scramble magazine #475, Dec.2018) as
C-47A RP-C1352 (c/n 25347/) and C-47A RP-C1354 (25368/14126)
The latter is the flagship, parked right in front of the hostel but does not have any markings on the exterior.
The owner is the son of the former owner of these Douglas piston transports, C.M. Aero Services (Charlie Miller).
Note- RP-C1354 is sometimes identified as c/n (msn) 25571 but this is not correct (according to the Scramble report).

On I found a photo for the date 28Apr2019. Looking good!




Gerben Groothuis sent me these 2 images (dating from Feb.2017) for identification
Unidentified at Tucson salvage yard
With the above photo Gerben wrote: "can you help with the identification of the C-131 (or T-29) nose found stored
at the Pima Air Museum? I know about the TS-2A next to it, that's N425DF/136583/D-401."
Please help: EMAIL


HU-16 at Western Int'l yard
Bare metal HU-16 @Western International (Tucson AZ)
For the research of my USA 2017 pages (Tucson's salvage yards) I came across this one but had the same
problem with identification! But soon solved: HU-16C BuNo.142428 - details on Tucson's salvage yards



One for my Off-Airport Gallery (Latin America) but at time of posting also a candidate for 'Unidentified'..

DC-3 at Charlie's Surf Hostel (Puerto Rico)

The adress is Surfer's Road, Brgy. Urbiztondo - 2514 San Juan (La Union) in San Juan on the Philippines!
From Facebook

In Scramble's edition #461 (Oct.2017) I read the following: "On 01Aug2017 'Charlies Hangar Hostel' opened in San Juan, in Northern Philippines.
Centre piece of this backpacker/surfers hostel is a DC-3.
We have not yet been able to identify the DC-3.
An earlier travel blog dated May 2017 shows work in progress with the DC-3 in bare metal up in scaffolding and with several repair patches on the nose.
So the blue colourscheme it has now, is not original.
The DC-3 does not have the tail mounted beacon light, which the civil Philippine Daks used to have, making it unlikely that it is one of the DC-3s that were auctioned in late 2014 at Manilla IAP."

The two DC-3's here have been identified (source Scramble magazine #475, Dec.2018) as
C-47A RP-C1352 (c/n 25347/13902) and C-47A RP-C1354 (25368/14126)
The latter is the flagship, parked right in front of the hostel but does not have any markings on the exterior.
The owner is the son of the former owner of these Douglas piston transports.
Note- RP-C1354 is sometimes identified as c/n (msn) 25571 but this is not correct (according to the Scramble report).




In the dec.2016 issue of Scramble magazine I noticed an interesting news bit, and found the mystery here very appealing!

A mystery C-47 at Xiaotangshan Air Museum, ex/ Zimbabwe AF
Screendump from
Mid-2016 this as yet unidentified ex/ Zimbabwe AF C-47 arrived at the Xiaotangshan Air Museum
Alexandre Avrane offered:"This appears to be in the original Zimbabwe camouflage.
Each C-47 was painted differently so all is needed is a pictures gallery for comparison..."

Apparently this C-47 was bought from the Zimbabwe Air Force in an auction in 2011, crated & shipped to Pakistan (!),  continued overland to Bejing / Xiaotangshan & reassembled and "repainting in full swing.."

Found on remarked "Seven ex Air Force of Zimbabwe C-47 Dakotas were put up for auction in September 2011."
The aircraft are all located at Manyame Air Base in Harare, Zimbabwe -17° 55' 45.20", +31° 5' 57.52" click on co-ordinates to open in Google Maps."
And "By July 2014 one of the aircraft had been dismantled and taken away. Details unknown."

At first I thought ZK-AMR (cn11970; see my website) a candidate, but according to it was scrapped at HRE.
I also have the following Zimbabwe AF C-47's as candidates:
3700 (cn13164), *)->N568PT
3708 (cn33138),
7036 (cn 25939), *)->N570PT
7053 (cn 32759), *)->N571PT
7134 (cn 26437)
VP-YZB (ZimAF 7303, cn25312), *)->N569PT
7313 (cn 32741), <---------------
VP-YZG (ZimAF 3708, cn33184),
3711 (cn 12049),
3712 (cn 9492),
*) = To Preferred Air Parts, Kidron,OH (the above sighted at Wonderboom, with N572PT/7301 according to Tripreport in Scramble #474 2018)- see also note further down.

On 20Oct2017 I received a jubilant email sent by John Austin-Williams.
"I have solved the puzzle of the DC-3 / C-47 at the Xiaotangshan Museum, it is 7313!
Looking at the photo you (this email originally adressed to one David McCartney -RL) sent of the one in the China Museum, Xiaotangshan, I noticed that the top of the nose cone is white. And also the cockpit 'Hamburger Door' is white.
It also does not have the two aerial rails on top of the fuselage. There is also a small round white 'unidentified something' just below the right cockpit window...
And I then suddenly recalled I had seen photos of the 7 aircraft and I’ve found them!
C-47 Zimbabwe AF
There was an auction website ( where the seven were advertised; an individual web page per aircraft.
At the time I had the foresight to save each page! This auction came to my attention on 01Oct2011, six years ago!
I have compiled the 7 pages into one MS Word document attached.
The last aircraft, 7313, has a white top to the nose cone, no aerial rails on the roof and a small white circle below the right side cockpit window.
C-47 7313 ZimAF
If you compare the camouflage scheme of 7313 to that of the Datangshan example, one sees that the camo scheme is very close!
In actual fact if you look at the other six aircraft they all have no-descript colour scheme – almost all-over beige/brown colour, whereas 7313 has a distinctly obvious camouflage scheme – green and brown.
See this website here
And see also here
Further more
To me the photographic evidence is highly convincing!
Click the link below – I believe the aircraft is parked here: GPS 40°11'00.7"N 116°21'35.7"E (40.183533, 116.359912) - "
Datangshan - google maps
This issue was initially published on my Photos by Friends & Guests-47
David McCartney also wrote me (Oct.2017): "We have now identified the C-47: it is ex Zimbabwe Air Force, serial 7313, c/n 15993/32741 ex G-AMPS."

And here is a Sep.2017 photo by Grant Newman
C-47 ex/ Zimbabwe AF

Although it was a long time ago, I visited the socalled Datangshan Air Museum, north of Bejing.

Note: former Zimbabwe Air Force C-47's 3700, 7036, 7053, 7301 and 7303 were procured by Preferred Air Parts of Kidron,OH and sighted at Johannesburg-Wonderboom (no date, but read in Dec.2017 issue of Scramble magazine).
That leaves one Zimbabwe Dakota unaccounted for.



Ron mak sent this photo in Oct.2017 and it depicts a visit by Ron to Las Palmas, Gran Canarias, Spain in 1970
DC-3 derelict at Las Palmas in 1970
A Douglas DC-3 derelict at Las Palmas in 1970
Ron wrote: "An unidentified DC-3 at Las Palmas-Gando Airport. I searched for its identity (e.g. Aviation Safety Network and ATDB), but without result. Spantax flew a considerable amount of DC-3's, and a surprising number
found their demise at Tenerife - but I could not find one of theirs ending at Las Palmas..?"

Perhaps it was used as a firetrainer...?

Jürgen Scherbarth wrote (30Oct17): "Suggest that the DC-3 on Ron Mak’s photo shows ex British Westpoint
G-AJHZ, which was scrapped at LPA by that time…
Photos could be found here:"
The photo further down shows Juergen was correct.

Looked c/n 12421 up in Air-Britain's 'The DC-3, the first 70 Years" and quote the history from where it became EC-ASQ TASSA leased 24May62 to 10Mar64 -- G-AJHZ Trans World Lsng Ltd, Luton reg'd 15Feb65 -- wfu Luton May'66 -- Canx 14Sep66 as 'abroad' -- CoA expired 03Apr67 -- Derelict Lisbon 1968.
--> so if we ignore here "wfu Luton May'66" and "Derelict Lisbon 1968" we have a candidate! And found correct!
The statements 'wfu' and 'derelict' were a little bit unduly. A DC-3 has as much lives as a pussycat, at least!

ATDB c/n 12421
EC-ASQ c/n 12421

Alexandre Avrane (ATDB) added: "G-AJHZ used in Aug.66 in RAF colours for the movie 'Where the Bullets Fly'.
Terry Lee wrote: "I remember 'JHZ very well when with British European Airways (BEA) in the late 50s and early 60s on regular scheduled passenger flights into Birmingham (UK).
She disappeared off the UK register in 1966, believed to Spain."

Juergen sent me an image from his collection, dated Aug.1968:
DC-3 G-AJHZ Westpoint (c/s)

G-AJHZ is in the same position here at Las Palmas as in Ron Mak's photo. Unsolved -> Solved!


Gordon Tatro sent me this 03Feb2017; he wrote:"Any ideas about this incident? 
Notice the prop is not bent nor feathered: caused by a ground accident?
Notice the gash in fuselage at wing root? 
Picture taken about 1950-60s.
Notice it is at Logan Airport in Massachusetts: a USAF plane at a civilian airport?
I know the owner of this photo, Peter Waltz, the person standing there is his father, Alden E. Waltz."
C-119 with unexplained damage to engine and wing, at Logan Airport.
The four-bladed prop and double-main wheels make this a C-119, as C-82 had 3-blade props and a single mainwheel.
Purpose of a C-119 visiting Logan Field could be the Air National Guard unit stationed here, e.g. the 101st Tactical Fighter Squadron (TFS; MA ANG).

Peter Waltz wrote:"I know this is my Dad (Alden E. Waltz) because the photo was in an album from my Mom and it was on a page labeled "Alden", and under the photo was written "Al inspecting damage".
What I do not know is what inspecting really means, it may mean he was just looking..?
I am guessing the date of the photo is between 1947 (inclusive) and 1950, as it was in the photo album between my parents wedding photos (01-1947) and some of baby photos of myself (1950-06).

Later on Peter volunteered on the period this photo may have been taken: "As far as the incident date is concerned I now believe my guess of 1949 to 1950 was incorrect as the 317th History shows C-119's were used starting in 1952. See

I have no clue what the 10 or the C.D. mean. The C.D. is obviously an abbreviation..?"


Gordon responded to my initial idea of an inflight accident and immediate diversion to Logan:
"Whatever happened to that Boxcar,it happened right there on that spot.
Notice that the blades are not feathered, there is NO tip damage to the blades (prop was still) and notice that there are NO scratch marks on the pavement indicating that the blade tip was NOT dragged (caused by the movement of the plane and the fallen engine).
That is a 4360 Wasp, a heavy engine; there is still much weight being taken to support that engine.
I think some high reach bucket truck fell on the top engine mount, destroying it and the engine then slowly bent downward.
This could not possible be an inflight accident, the plane would have crashed!
Iit almost looks like it was parked there as typical and then the accident occurred There are no fluids on the ground, e.g. oil, fire retardant. It is clean below the engine and that's odd!
And that gash in the fuselage could have been caused by some high reach bucket falling onto the engine and root at wing And then into the fuselage causing the gash.
Notice too that the side of the cowling is wrinkled, that is not much damage for the severity of the engine mount problem!
That little inspection door was left open; whatever occurred was already done and Mr Waltz is sort of looking at it like: "Oh Well...shit happens!"
Why is it not roped off and the wing supported by wing jacks, defueled, etc???"

Photo observations:
I zoomed in on the high resolution version I had scanned, to make these comments.
So, he has on a rather warm coat and gloves, and the hat is typical of one of 2 that he would wear in the winter. The hat on the photo is lined and had ear flaps. The other would be a navy watch cap.
On the opposite side of the aircraft I believe there are 3 trucks, and another person.
Just to the left of the outboard prop blade are what looks to be 3 single vehicle tires, 2 boots, and pant cuffs (a person), and what looks to be a set of dual wheels for a truck. To the right of my dad is another wheel that looks to me to be a truck wheel.
As I zoom in on the prop, it looks like there might be some prop damage on the trailing edge of the prop blade right in front of my Dad’s face.
Next I think that the observation that there was impact from above may correct, as it appears the engine mount strut is intact, and there is sheet metal missing back to the wheel well. The engine cover damage on the top and side would support this idea.
As I zoom in it looks the frame, that the engine mount strut is bolted to, is broken and bent forward.
What I am going to call a bulk head (that all of the lines and wires are going to), in the photo of the not broken engine is about vertical, and it is at about a 45 in the bent engine photo.
If there was impact from the top at an angle towards the fuselage, the prop blade that is by the 'U' could have caused the gash in the fuselage...
This sure is a puzzle!"

Steve Hayes (on WIX/Facebook) offered an interesting theory: "I would guess that something came down on top of the engine, causing it to dislodge and gashing the skin at the fore of the wing root.
It does not appear the engine was running or that there is fire damage.
The parka suggests it may have been cold. Wheels are chocked. Was this a de-icing went bad? Perhaps the lift bucket on a boom coming down on the engine..?"

Peter worked on the unit badge found on this photo (top right corner):
C-119 unit badge?
"This is a blow up and about 15 minutes of playing with the photo tool I have, trying to enhance the image of the unit emblem.
I first cut the section out of the original photo. Then I copied it onto a larger photo space, made a mirror copy. I moved the mirror copy as close as I cold get (my cropping was a little off, hence the white stripe in the middle.
Then I futzed with the image adjustment tools in an attempt to get as much to stand out as I could."

I (Webmaster, RL) checked my bookcase and found in 'United States Military Aviation: The Air Force' (Robert J. Archer, Midland Counties Publications, 1980) in the chapter on Military Airlift Command a page with the badges of 12 MAC Wings and found among them the one for 317th TAW a close match...
Meanwhile Peter did his own research and found a link ( and provided a coloured image of the same badge:
317th TAW badge
Peter wrote: "The 317th Airlift Grp is out of Dyess Airforce Base in Texas. I e-mailed the Website Manager, and asked to have my e-mail passed on to the 317 AG History Office. We shall see what happens!"
In my book the 317th was part of the 21st Air Force and the 317th Tactical Airlift Wing was based at Pope AFB, North Carolina. At that time (as I said the book was published in 1980) the 317th TAW was equipped with Lockheed C-130E's and flying the 39th Tac Airlift Squadron, the 40th TAS and 41st TAS.

In Alwyn T. Lloyd's book 'Fairchild C-82 Packet and C-119 Flying Boxcar' (AeroFax, Ian Allen Publishing, 2005) I found reference to 317th TCG based in Europe at Rhein-Main AB, West Germany (1952-1953), Neubiberg AB, West Germany (1953-1957) and Evreux-Fauville AB, France (1957-1958).
But we are looking at an event before this European period, as determined from Peter's family album.

This incident ('occurrance') is not listed in the online Aviation Safety Database for Boston (renamed Logan Int'l Airport in 1944):
I searched for 'Boston' and 'Logan' on Joe Baugher's webpages + 1949 + 1950 and up to 1955 but found nothing relevant to this subject. The production of C-119s ended in 1955.

Peter volunteered on the period the photo may have been taken: "As far as the incident date is concerned I no believe my guess of 1949 to 1950 was incorrect as the 317th History shows C-119's were used starting in 1952. See "

Someone suggested "Hanscom AFB is about 20 miles NW of Logan Field. Is it possible that the guy wearing the Logan Airport coat just happens to be standing at Hanscom AFB when that photo was taken?"
1954-Jul-26: C-119F, 51-8113, 6520FTS, 6520TSG, L G Hanscom Fld, MA, AFCRC, 1, Olsen, Arnold H, USA MA, 20mi N of Boston,MA.
C-119 51-8113
Note from Webmaster: the person in the photo is a civilian! It is more likely to find a military aircraft at a civilian airport (particulalrly when that airport has an Air National Guard unit based), rather than the other way around..?
Also, would an aircraft damaged as such be repaired?
C-119F 51-8113 (c/n 116) has the following on Joe Baugher's website: 'converted to C-119J in 1955 and to C-119G in 1957. Officially designated C-119J sometime after Jun 1957. To Italian AF in 1964 as MM-8113 with code 46-49.'

Peter Waltz forwarded the email he received in Oct.2017 upon his query
From: Logan Airport <aviationinquiries>
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 8:22 AM
Subj: Damaged C 119 at Logan some time between 1952 to 1957
" Good Morning Mr. Waltz: Thank you for your inquiry. We regret that there are no logs or records that we have access to that would shed any light on an incident involving a Fairchild, C-119 aircraft damage.
During that period, the airport was not under the control of the Massachusetts Port Authority.
We might suggest a review of the Boston Globe Archives or else the New England Aviation History website."



Ulco Kalt went to Texas in 1983 and sent me these images to share and with hopes of identification

Unidentified Big Doug in Texas, in 1983
Ulco wrote me in july 2017 (translation by RL/Webmaster):
"Here are 4 photos which I took, as a young boy, in 1983 during a vacation in Texas. I presume the location is
Brownsville but I am not 100 percent sure... We drove from San Antonio towards the border of van Mexico (El Paso).
So it could very well be Brownsville. The quality of the images are poor, tailnumbers are hard or impossible to read.
I could make out: N320...? And N6110."
DC-4 N32DR
Mike Smyth wrote an interesting comment on the above: "I’m sure that the DC-4 is N32DR ex/ CF-KAD, c/n 18356.
It was stored at McAllen, not Brownsville and scrapped there around 1982. The attached picture which was taken
at Alexandria, Louisiana in May 1981 by Stuart Jessop (LINK) and it certainly looks like the same aircraft."
Further down there are a few more pics of this DC-4.


DC-3 N6110 in Texas 1983. By Ulco Kalt.
DC-3 N6110 sits on the right. A C-46 in the center and an unidentified type on the far left (same cheatline as C-46?)
The DC-4 may be N3802, last noted registered to Florida Caribbean Airlines, but that company did not operate
DC-3's nor C-46's. So we probably have to look at an owner (not officially reg'd) beyond Florida Caribbean AL.
Alfonso Flores replied on this issue: "That C-46 beside DC-3 N6110 looks as N516AC, impounded in the same
year, 1985, as C-46 N7366N of Air Tram Leassing (see Alfonso's message below) near San Luis Potosí, México."

N6110 is, according another plane with its fate obscure. Its history: USAF C-47A
(42-23805), Av Q (CU-T3), Nat'l Gypsum Co (N66B), Parker Pen Co (N61A), Rockford Newspapers (N6110, but
also as N6110, w/ FAA reg'd 22Jan1982 for Air-tram Leasing Inc, dereg'd 19Aug1985: exported to Panama).
So this registration to Martin W Thomas (reg'd 26Jul78) as N2020, may never actually took place- fate unknown.
Note the 1983 context in N6110's history and above photo.

Unidentified at Brownsville,TX 1983
This is a mirror image but I have corrected the C-46 on the insert: N7366N most likely.
The DC-4 is believed to be N32DR (see further above and further down). has for N7366N the following details:
C-46F c/n 22470, USAF 44-78647, US AL N1914M, Capitol Air N1914M, University of Michigan N7366N,
Century AL NN7366L, Fuerza Aérea Mexicana TEC-6050 (Parted-out, derelict at MMSM-Santa Lucia AB).
On the FAA website I noticed add'l info: Air-tram Leasing Inc., reg'd 25Sep1984 (CofA: 03Dec1979) & dereg'd
24Oct2013 as expired.
It wasn't unusual for the Government of Mexico to register planes after having them ceased for illegal trafficking, creating an official Mexican registration. And Air-tram Leasing has that bit of history in common with DC-3 N6110...

Alfonso Flores replied on the C-46s: "The C-46 N7366N (Air Tram Leasing) was ceased in the state of Veracruz, México, in May 1985 during an smuggling flight!
It was ferried to Mexico City airport by C-46 pilots of the Mexican Air Force and registered as TEC-6050; it flew about 4 years and finally it was scrapped at Santa Lucía Air Force Base in 1993."

More about the Douglas DC-4 here:
Unidentified Big Doug at Brownsville, TX (1983)
N320.. (?) can be read. Or N380.? I think N32DR is the correct answer (see further above Mike's comment).
So we have here a DC-3 (N6110), a DC-4 (N32DR) and a C-46 (N7366?) plus one unidentified type.
Taking Mike's comments at heart I think the location here is not Brownsville but McAllen, also in Texas.
History from (per 14apr2019):
History of DC-4 c/n
For further comments: EMAIL

Ron Mak sent a suggestion for the DC-4 soon after me posting this (now not believed to be correct):
DC-4 N3802
Ron wrote (webmaster's translation: "N3802 DC-4 I saw at at Fort Lauderdale on 30Oct1978 and a year later again,
on 27Oct1979, when I took this slide. Seems to fit: a lot of blue (ex/ Nordair?) and the tail looks similar."
Yes, N3802 seems to have the same tail, as if a different tail has been fitted on the fuselage.
Compare nov.1976 and oct.1977 images on They all show a similar scene: "the left hand outboard
wing on the ground in the very same spot. But it had to be refitted of course, to make it to Texas by 1983.
But the '02' on the nosewheeldoor had been lost by then.

But there are doubts too...
Alexandre Avrane:"I would suggest the DC-4 is N32DR rather than N3802 which wore slight differences in paint.
The lower half of the nose cone is painted differently, reminiscent of its days as an iceberg surveyor; compare with:
And... N32DR ended at McAllen,TX so another clue which fits!"
Stef Bailis wrote: "I do not think this is the same aircraft. Here are some differences: N3802 does not actually have a radome; it merely is metal with black paint. N320... has a radome (the contours are different).
The blue cheatline of N3802 is thicker than N320...
The cargo doors are very different: N3802 has small door forward, large door aft. N320... has large door forward, small door aft!
The small window (originally for lavatory?) just below the fin is at a different height: N3802 is lower by a few inches than N320...
On my monitor screen, N3802 is 15/32" from the fin, but N320... is only 12/32" from the fin."

So what about N32DR!
C-54B c/n 18357 - USAF 43-17156 -- Northwest AL N95414 -- Flying Tigers 95414 -- Ariana Afghan AL
YA-BAJ -- Pacific Western AL CF-PWA -- Transair CF-TAM -- Kenting Atlas Avn CF-KAD (ice patrol with a special dome atop the cockpit) -- Worldways Canada CF-KAD -- Onyx Avn N32DR -- Scrapped at McAllen-Miller IAP (KMFE),TX []

Btw, the DC-3 behind the DC-4 on Ron's photo is N48FN (c/n 4306, C-47 of Florida National A/W), later
to become N781T of TolAir Services, to become restaurant Los Aviones (SJU Barranquitas, along N780T at
18 10 29 N 66 19 54 W).
That restaurant Los Aviones, which also had CV440 N912AL besides DC-3C N781T and C-47B N780T, closed due
to the damage created by Hurricane Irma (Sep.2017). The fate of these propliners, at an off-airport location, again in the balance...

History of N3802 (c/n 10362): dlvd to USAF (42-72257), Pan American World Airways (N88923), Avianca Colombia (HK-178), Notre-Dame Air Transport (CF-JIR), Wheeler Airlines (CF-JIR), Nordair (CF-JIR), Eastern Provincial A/W (CF-JIR), Florida Caribbean Airlines (N3802; stored) - ultimate fate obscure, suspected drugsrunner...
Well, Brownsville,TX had a reputation for clandestine border trafficking and so had McAllen...




Christian Flaug sent me this in July 2017:
"I found your contact when looking for information on the internet about Beijing Museum, which I visited in August 2016.
I managed to get through most planes and I am wondering if you know further details about these 5 Antonov An-2's, which do not carry a registration.
I am trying to identify them and it does not seem to be easy! I hope you will be able to answer my request.
Many thanks."

Unidentified An-2, Bejing Aviation Museum (2016, Christian Flaug)
Unidentified Antonov An-2, Beijing Aviation Museum (2016, Christian Flaug)

A number of Harbin Y-5 / An-2 Colts have been reported here, asper my Datangshan Log Report):
3129 (sighted: Dec03 - olive green, 08Jul04) -- 3139 (Jan00, Feb02, Dec03 - olive green, 08Jul04) -- 7225 (1996, Mar97, Feb02, Dec03 - manufacturer labelled as 'Nanchang', 08Jul04) -- 10996 (Dec03 - olive green, very tatty, 08Jul04 ) -- 60066 (1996 , Mar96, Feb02, Dec03 - olive green, 08Jul04)
And an An-2 floatplane: 21397/10953.
The latter is could be the one above, but Phil's suggestion below contradicts this. However I had no 10997 listed..?

Phil Hawks' suggestions (on Yahoo's Classic-Propliners-forum) here are of great help, a final step would be 'which is which'.
"The Y-5 on floats is 10997 (fitted with the rudder from 21353). It's not a genuine floatplane, BTW - the floats are from something different and have just been added by the museum."
(It certainly shows likeness to John Bennett's 2011 photo (type described as AVIC Y-5). And to Trevor Bartlett's 2016 photo, but '10997, identity not certain'.
"7225 has always been displayed in the tunnel, so if this is still the case, the others must be 3129, 3139, 10996 and 60066. As to which is which, however..."


Unidentified An-2, Bejing Aviation Museum (2016, Christian Flaug)
Unidentified An-2, Beijing's China Aviation Museum (2016, Christian Flaug).
This one has a '9' on the remaining tailsection, so is 3129 or 3139.
Check John Bennett's which would make it 3129.

Unidentified An-2, Bejing Aviation Museum (2016, Christian Flaug)
Unidentified An-2, Beijing's China Aviation Museum (2016, Christian Flaug)
So we still have 3139 -- 7225 -- 60066 and 21397 (10953?) to identify among these...

Unidentified An-2, Bejing Aviation Museum (2016, Christian Flaug)
Unidentified An-2, Beijing's China Aviation Museum (2016, Christian Flaug)

Unidentified An-2, Bejing Aviation Museum (2016, Christian Flaug)
Is this the one described as 'very tatty' (10996) above..?
This one resembles 10996 on John Bennett's for its 'bleached'spots.

'eLaReF' suggested comparison with his Datangshan (2001) folder on
AN02 Datangshan
But the timespan (2001 vs 2016) makes the differences in their wasted states rather difficult.
Btw, the above 10996 seems to have gone even more grey by Trevor Bartlett's 2016 image and suggests
a different An-2 than the ones by Christian :

Suggestions welcomed EMAIL [please refer to 'page Search 141' - thank you]

While on the subject of the AN-2, it celebrated its 75th anniversary in 2017!





Updates & comments welcomed.



Created 01-Sep-2017,
Updated 25-Mei-2020