Heinz Rentmeister of Köln, Germany came to my aid in trying to solve the mysteries of the old, hard-worked transports at Greybull, Wyoming. They are (or were) owned by Hawkins and Powers, an aerial firefighting company. The aircraft are (were) kept at H&P's homebase Greybull for future investments, reconfiguration to airtankers, experimental innovations, spare parts supply to keep active aircraft operational and some for preservation.
But not all are fully identified to their Manufacturer's Serial Number (Msn) otherwise known as their Construction Number (C/n) and so their pasts remain shrouded in mysteries.
I hope by publishing this report, that reactions will come and we'll be able to fill in those blanks.
Heinz started visiting Greybull a long time ago and came up with several logs, made on August 13th 1979, May 07th 1980 and Oct. 21st 1990.
I added data from my database on top of those, marked as (...).
Fred de Ruiter contributed his report dated Sept 18th 1983. I have marked c/n's he contributed (source: Aviation Letters of those years) with (1).
Chris Charland, Associate (Canadian) Air Force Historian came to the rescue as well and now all ex/RCAF C-119s have their respective id's.
Niels Borcharding, propliner editor for Scramble magazine made much info available, too.
In Oct.2002 Jim Tomlinson mailed me his report, dated 12Sep87.
A more recent report came from Paul Kay, whose date of visit was 16Sep02.
Ralph Pettersen visited Greybull on 03May03 and his report is included. Dave Richardson did the same in November.
Bob Parmerter (author of the recommended Beech book, buy it !) supplied the c/n of Beech N7391C.
Some have been marked -*, this is info based on a photo on Airliners.net.
I received further updates again in 2004, by David Ellis and Marco Kosterman; it prompted me to seperate the aircraft that have been known to move elsewhere with the ones still present at Greybull.
Erik Sleutelberg sent me his list (Adobe Acrobat), his visit dates from 08Jul05.
Ralph Pettersen sent me his list of (Adobe Acrobat) his visit on 29Jul06. And Neville Spalding sent me his recordings from 29 April, 1986 (only C-97s, C-118s and C-119s); in Acrobat Reader format saved here.
Der=derelict, Std=stored, C/s=colorscheme, AFBM=Air Force Base Museum, Rereg=re-registered, Pres=preserved, nn=not noted, m/s=markings, nosig=no significant changes and/or remarks, -engines=minus engines.
| Tailnumber | Year | Aircraft Type | MSN or C/n | Former Id | Remarks |
| N505R | 79 | Lockheed 18 | 18-2358 | to USAF Museum March AFB,CA as "833538" 1983 | |
| N52056 | 79 | Douglas B-18 | ??? | "Bolo". To USAF Museum Castle AFB,CA | |
| N2123Y | 83 | C-117D | (43386) | (50786) | Bought H&P Jan83, sold 1984 D&D Parts Inc, rereg N212DD '87 At Opa Locka in 1992 and 1993; scrapped? |
| 013 | 79 | Consolidated PB4Y | ??? | Der; restored & flown Pensacola NAS for display | |
| N28..G | 89 | Consolidated PB4Y | ??? | Wreck, crashed ca. 1978/1979 | |
| N7620C | 90 | Consolidated PB4Y | (66260) | Tanker "123"; crashed July 18th 2002 | |
| N2870G | 83 97 | Consolidated PB4Y-2 | (66304) | 87: wreckage, marked as tanker '122' 1997:remains only,used to rebuild N7682C; no more sightings | |
| N9701F | 02 03 04 05 06 | Fairchild C-82A | 10184 | 45-57814 | 02=on main ramp 03=east of rwy 15/33 04=storage 05="USAF". 29Jul06 main ramp. Flown to Hagerstown Aviation Museum, Hagerstown,MD in Oct.2006 (arriving on Oct.15th). |
| N966S | 79 83 | Fairchild C-119G | (10738) | RCAF 22107 | 79=Std minus 1 rudder Preserved at Hill Aerospace Museum, Utah as "52-2107" (note similarity Canadian serial); unconfirmed. |
| N3559 | 89 90 | Fairchild C-119G | 10870 | (RCAF 22118) | 89=std. 90=no turbojet.(To Dover AFBM) |
| N3560 | 79 | Fairchild C-119 | 10957 | 22132 | Broken up, tail parts remaining; no more sightings |
| N5217R | 79 83 89 90 | Fairchild C-119G | 10860 | RCAF 22116 | 79=Std in bad shape, 87=RCAF with titles, 89=wreck, 90=parked main ramp. To Nat'l Infantry Museum, Ft Benning (GA) |
| N8091 | 79 83 86 87 | Fairchild C-119G | 10906(1) | RCAF 22122 | 79=Std minus rudders. 87=no rudder, otherwise complete. To March AFBM 1988 |
| N8092 | 79 83 86 87 89 90 | Fairchild C-119G | 10678 | RCAF 22103 | 79=Std/der, 89=wreck, 90=for museum To Nat'l Warplane Mus.,Geneseo,NY More |
| N15502 | 79 83 86 87 | Fairchild C-119G | 10825(1) | RCAF 22114 | 79=Std minus rudders. 87=rudders missing, otherwise complete RCAF with titles. To McClellan USAF Museum (date?), photo 1996, USAF c/s, RCAF serial 22114 |
| N15505 | 79 87 89 90 | Fairchild C-119 | 10676 | RCAF 22101 | 79=Std/no rudders & engines, 90=same.To D.F.Pratt Museum (KY) Sep95 to restore 131679 |
| N15506 | 79 83 86 87 | Fairchild C-119G | 10736(1) | RCAF 22105 | 79=Std minus rudders & engines.87=engineless and rudderless, full RCAF colors. Anno 2002 pres Milwaukee airport as 51-2680 |
| N15508 | 83 87 | Fairchild C-119F | 10993(1) | RCAF 22134 | 87=complete, RCAF livery with titles painted out. To Travis AFBM,CA 1996 |
| N5215R | 79 83 86 87 89 90 | Fairchild C-119F | 10773 | RCAF 22108 | 79=Std/bad shape, 87+89=wreck; 95=museum Battle Mountain,NV as "N5216R" Tanker 137. 29Jul06 museum compound, T136. |
| N3142D | 83 | Fairchild C-123K | 20029 | To Pima Air Museum, AZ | |
| N8190B | 02 03 | Fairchild C-123K | 20144 | 54-0695 | Formerly at Minnesota ANG Museum 03=std area north 04=storage Registered 07Dec04 Advanced Air,Iowa 05=CP894. 29Jul06 storage area north. |
| N233HP | 86 87 89 90 94 02 03 04 05 | Douglas C-118A | (44661) | (152689) | USN c/s, AMARC code CG095, sprayer; '689' 03=std area north 04=storage; 05=noted as AMARC code 8C025 Sold to Everts Air Cargo in 2005 for parts. 29Jul06 storage area north, -engines. Left in Oct07. |
| 56-511 | 90 | Lockheed C-130A | 182-3119 | ex/USAF-Montana ANG. Converted to airtanker Oct90, Jul92 to Hemet Valley Flying Service N132FF, Tanker 83 | |
| N134FF | 89 | Lockheed C-130A | 1A-3146 | (56-0538) | USAF camo, later rereg N130HP (below) Note: C/n 3146 was N134FF, but only between Aug88 and Jul89, when it was reregistered to N130HP; see also c/n 3104 below. |
| N130HP | 90 | Lockheed C-130A | 1A-3146 | N134FF | Tanker "130" see CRASH 17Jun02 |
| 60496 | 90 | Lockheed C-130A | 182-3104 | 56-0496 | ex/N8053R, N-reg painted over; at Hemet,CA Aug2003 Mark O.Williams Nov.2007: "..wanted to let you know what is left of C-130A s/n 56-0496 is now at Yuma Proving Ground, AZ to be used as a ground loading test bed for the Aerial Delivery section. Apparently AMARC wanted to much money for a C-130 and the folks at Yuma Proving Ground were able to locate and purchase 56-0496. I am told they plan to add electrics and hydraulics to the airframe 'soon as' to allow the ramp and door to open for testing new load configurations. I am a C-130 flight engineer out here doing some test work and spotted it earlier this week. Here are to pics of the aircraft on Photobucket, they were taken today (08Nov07) by me: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/F106A/000_0006.jpg or here. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/F106A/000_0005.jpg or here. Hercules specialist Lars Olauson cleared my confusion on tailnbr N134FF belonging to 2 airframes: "FAA says N134FF is/was 56-0496 which definitely is c/n 3104. It was reregistered N134FF in March 1991 (from N45R), but this registration was possibly never painted on. From about Aug93 it was stored for parts and got the marking N8053R which it still had when it was sold to Yuma Proving Ground in Oct 2007. I do not know if N8053R was properly registered. N8053R is, according to FAA, now a different airplane, not a Hercules. It is correct that 3146 has been N134FF, but this was only between Aug 1988 and July 1989, when it was reregistered to N130HP." [JAN.2008] |
| N139HP | 90 03 04 05 | Lockheed P2V-7 | (726-7168) | 145906 | "139", jetpod ex/ N3935 "139" (C-119). 03=in hangar 04=main ramp 05=BuNo.145906 Sold feb06 to Neptune Aviation, became Tanker 43. |
| P.3-5 | 95 02 03 | Lockheed P-3A | 5036 | 150510 | 02=std, ex/Spanish AF 03=std area north 04=storage Reg'd N917AU Aero Union 01Oct04 |
| N140HP | 90 03 04 05 | Lockheed P2V-7 | (726-7102) | (140443) | "140" 03=in hangar 04=main ramp 05=nosig. Bought by Neptune Inc, rereg'd N445NA Apr06. |
| N212TH | 89 | Casa 212 | ??? | Hangared. Fate ?. N212TH reg'd 07Jul03 Bell 212 chopper... | |
| C-GHCF | 89 | Douglas B-26 | (27799) | (N9420Z) | ex Conair, Canada, ex/44-34520 |
| N961S | 79 80 | Fairchild C-119G | (10872) | (RCAF 22120) | all metal |
| 60507 | 90 | Lockheed C-130A | 182-3115 | 56-0507 | ex/N8055R, N-reg painted over Possibly rereg N4172Q ? |
| 150529 | 00 02 03 04 | Lockheed EP-3A | 5055 | 150529 | 02=std 03=std area north 04=storage 05=being parted out |
| N51599 | 86 87 89 90 94 02 03 04 05 |
Douglas C-118 | (44662) | 53-3291 | USAF c/s, code "JT" (87) 03=std area north 04=storage 05=VR-52 Not reported present during 2006, rereg to Everts Air Fuel 03Jan06, presumed parted out for spares. |
| N129HP | 90 94 02 03 04 05 | Lockheed SP-2H | (726-7200) | 147950,N22154 | USN c/s; rereg N129HP Oct97. 02=std 03=std area north 04=storage 05=nosig. Not sighted 2006. |
David Ellis added this to his report: "I have based my comment around the Ralph Pettersen list as it is essentially accurate with what I saw . My only gap on the visit was the museum compound as a strong sandstorm blew up as I left the ramp and I didn't stop to confirm the contents of the museum. Firstly there are no aircraft stored to the east of the airfield now - all being in the main storage area. Aircraft underlined have notes attached.. He found 2 ex/RCAF C-119s he was not able to identify, plus a C-130
| Tailnumber | Year | Aircraft Type | MSN or C/n | Former Id | Remarks |
| N7391C | 79 03 05 06 | Beech 18S | 8460 | 44-87201 | 79=der 89=on tail:2888 C-45F-BH;prob'ly tail of other acft 03-museum compound 05=44-87201A. 29Jul06 museum compound. |
| N880V | 79 83 87 89 90 97 02 03 04 05 06 | Lockheed 18-56 | 6124 | At H&P museum in 1995. 02=on main ramp. 03=std,south area 04=storage 05=nosig 29Jul06 main ramp. [Dlvd to the RAF on 06Dec1941 as an L-414 Hudson; was converted to a L18-56 Lodestar in Dec55.] |
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| N126HP | 90 02 03 04 05 06 | Douglas B-26 | (27799) | (N94207) | "28", ex C-GHCF above. 02='BC-520' 44-34520 04=main ramp, 05="Lulu" (44-34520) 29Jul06 main ramp |
| N2871G | 89 90 97 02 03 04 05 06 | Consolidated PB4Y-2 | (66302) | Tanker "121"; 97=looked great. 02=on main ramp. 03=same 04=storage 05=multi colour. 29Jul06 main ramp. | |
| N2872G | 83 02 03 04 05 06 | Consolidated PB4Y-2 | (66300) | operational with H&P; 02=on main ramp. 03=same, T124. 04=storage 05=airliners.net 29Jul06 storage area south. | |
| N7962C | 83 89 90 02 03 04 05 06 | Consolidated PB4Y-2 | (59882) | Tanker "126". 02=on main ramp 03=same 04=storage 05=nosig. 29Jul06 storage area south. | |
| N6884C | 90 03 04 05 06 | Consolidated PB4Y-2 | (59701) | Tanker "127". 03=on main ramp. 04=storage 05=nosig. 29Jul06 main ramp. | |
| N314CF | 02 03 05 06 | Consolidated PBY-5A | 427 | 02=with the museum 03=museum compound, wings removed 05=reported as (N206M) Alegre Air, no m/s, being restored 29Jul06 main ramp. | |
| N5102B | 04 05 06 | Fairchild C-82A | 10152 | 45-57782 | 95=fuselage 00=nosesection 04=storage 05="Interior Airways", fuselage only. 29Jul06 storage area north. |
| N8009E | 04 05 06 | Fairchild C-82A | 10071 | 44-23027 | 95=fuselage 00=nosesection 04=storage 05= "Flying B", fuselage only, blue. 29Jul06 storage area north. |
| N3935 | 89 90 05 | Fairchild C-119G | 10870 | (RCAF 22113) | "139" with turbojet; see N139HP "139" (P-2). Pres as Tanker 136 N5216R 05="7120-0259-9" |
| N5216R | 89 90 93 94 | Fairchild C-119F | "136" with turbojet on roof, RCAF c/s; fake registration, see N3935 or full story | ||
| N3003 | 79 86 87 89 90 02 03 05 06 | Fairchild C-119F | 10737(1) | RCAF 22106 | 79=Std/der 87=engines and wheels missing,RCAF with titles, 89=wreck 90=no status (N3003 only rh-side); 02=std '03' 03=std area south 05=nosig (N3003/03). See also John Chapman N3003 1989 photos 29Jul06 storage area south, tanker 03. |
| N3003 | 89 90 04 | Fairchild C-119 | ??? | Seen as coded "3E". 87=airworthy,metallic but with RCAF livery and ex serial still visible on the metal. Tanker '01'. 04=storage See also John Chapman N3003 1989 photos | |
| N8093 | 86 89 90 94 02 03 04 05 06 | Fairchild C-119G | (10776) | (RCAF 22111) | "140" +turbojet on roof, RCAF c/s; airworthy 2001? 02=on mainramp,Tanker 140 03=east of rwy 15/33 04=main ramp. 05=nosig. 29Jul06 main ramp. |
| N8094 | 79 83 86 87 89 90 94 00 03 06 | Fairchild C-119G | 10994 | RCAF 22135 | 79=Std/bad shape, 89=wreck, 90=for museum. 03=std,area south, "135" under wing. 29Jul06 storage area north. |
| N15501 | 79 86 | Fairchild C-119G | 10955 | RCAF 22130 | 79=Std minus engines. 87=airworthy metallic but with RCAF livery and ex serial still visible on the metal. Tanker '01'. Also reported stored Tucson,AZ 90 & 96?! This is N15501, during mid-1990s, simply reg'd N1. 2005 = N15501/H0180-H "XXExpress" 29Jul06 main ramp. |
| N8505A | 00 02 03 04 05 06 | Fairchild C-119F | 179 | 53-8076 | 02=std 03=std, area south, USAF m/s, no jet 04=storage 05="076" visible 29Jul06 storage area south. |
| N37636 | 95 00 02 03 04 05 06 | Fairchild C-119F | 253 | 53-8150 | 02=std 03=std, area south. "Georgia Box" * 04=storage 05=nosig. 29Jul06 storage area south. |
| N4999P | 03 04 05 06 | Fairchild C-119G | 257 | 53-8154 | ex/N90267; 03=only nose section remains 04=storage 05=nosig. 29Jul06 storage area north, no reg. |
| /06 | 05 06 | Fairchild C-119C | 10830? | RCAF ... | 05='10830'on nosewheeldoor. 29Jul06 museum compound, 06 on nose and reardoors. |
| N127HP | 89 90 94 02 03 04 05 06 | Fairchild F.27F | 33 | Hangared; 02=stored 03=std, area south 04=storage 05=nosig. 29Jul06 main ramp. Sep.2006 being worked on, bought 18Sep06 Philippi Equipment Co. and Great American Corporation |
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| N97HP | 83 86 87 89 90 02 03 04 05 06 | Boeing KC-97L | (16612) | (N8516T) | std, all metal. 02=rereg N97HB 03=N97HP still on acft 04=storage 05=nosig. 29Jul06 storage area south. |
| N397HP | 83 86 89 90 02 03 04 05 06 | Boeing KC-97L | (16990) | 53-0208 | AMARC code CH619 (89), AZ ANG, refuelling boom. 03=std area south 04=storage 05=same, 0-30208. 29Jul06 storage area south. |
| N497HP | 83 86 87 89 02 03 04 05 06 | Boeing KC-97L | (17047) | 53-0265,N1386M | USAF c/s, incl refuelling boom, AMARC code CH589 or 539. 03-std area south 04=storage 05=CH589 (N497HP). 29Jul06 storage area south. |
| N1365N | 89 90 02 04 05 06 | Boeing KC-97L | 22698 | (52-2698) | Coded "84",ex WI ANG/Milwaukee; 2002: "97" 04=storage 05=nosig. 29Jul06 main ramp. |
| N297HP | 83 | Boeing KC-97 | ??? | became N972HP; see below | |
| N972HP | 86 87 89 94 01 02 03 04 05 06 | Boeing KC-97L | (17132) | 53-0350 | stored, USAF c/s, 0-30350; 02=std 03=std area south 04=storage 05=nosig. 29Jul06 storage area south. |
| N29862 | 00 02 03 04 05 06 | Boeing KC-97L | 16792 | 52-2761 | 02=std 03=std area south 04=storage 05=nosig. 29Jul06 storage area south. |
| N29866 | 00 02 03 04 05 06 | Boeing KC-97L | 16726 | 52-2695 | 02=std 03=std area south 04=storage, 2695 on the nose, has the tail code of 0-22680 (52-2680) 05=tailsection of c/n 16711 52-2680 29Jul06 storage area south. |
| N171AM | 90 | Lockheed P-2 | ??? | 141171? | AMARC code , IP334, ex USN. --See below N173AM-- |
| N173AM | 02 03 05 06 | Lockheed P-2H | 726-7129 | 143173 | 02=in the museum; probably ex/N171AM 03=museum compound 05=AMARC code 1P334. 29Jul06 museum compound. |
| N8908F | 03 05 | Lockheed P2V-7 | 726-7100 | 140441 | 03 04=main ramp 05=code PA013. scrapped 2006? Not sighted 29Jul06. |
| N128HP | 90 94 02 03 04 05 06 | Lockheed P-2H | (726-7074) | 140972,N2215G | USN c/s; rereg N128HP Oct97. 02=std 03=std area north (reg not applied) 04=storage 05=148338/GF. 29Jul06 storage area north, -engines. |
| N122HP | 90 94 02 03 04 05 06 | Lockheed SP-2H | (726-7226) | 148341,N2216K | USN c/s, no engines; rereg N122HP Sep97 03=std area north 04=storage 05=AMARC code 1P388. 29Jul06 storage area north. |
| N2216S | 90 94 00 02 03 04 05 06 | Lockheed P-2 | (726-7231) | 148346 | USN c/s; 02=std 03=std area north 04=storage, N22165 on the starboard side 05=noted as N22165/4. 29Jul06 storage area south. |
| N22165/4 | 05 | Lockheed P-2H | ??? | 05=no details; see N2216S above | |
| N2218A | 90 94 00 02 03 04 05 06 | Lockheed SP-2H | (726-7243) | 148335 | USN c/s; 02=std 03=std area north. AMARC:IP412. 04=storage 05=nosig. 29Jul06 storage area north, -engines. |
| N2218E | 90 00 02 03 04 05 06 | Lockheed SP-2H | (726-7246) | 148356 | USN c/s; 02=std 03=std area north. AMARC:IP419 04=storage 05=AMARC code reported as 1P429, read N22183; see Airliners.net 29Jul06 storage area north,-engines. |
| N2218Q | 90 94 00 02 03 04 05 06 | Lockheed P-2H | (726-7255) | 148359 | USN c/s; 02=std 03=std area north 04=storage 05=ex/VP-62. 29Jul06 storage area south, -engines. |
| N125HP | 00 02 03 04 05 06 | Lockheed P-2H | 726-7035 | 135588, N4846N | 02=std 03=std area north 04=storage 05=AMARC code 1P310, /ZV-... 29Jul06 storage area south. |
| N7060Y | 02 03 04 05 | Lockheed SP-2H | 726-7167 | 145905 | 02=std 03=std area north 04=storage 05=nosig. 29Jul06 storage area south. |
| N8056D | 02 03 04 05 06 | Lockheed P-2H | 726-7057 | 140154 | 02=std 03=std area north 04=storage 05=AMARC code 1P339. 29Jul06 storage area north. |
| No Reg | 90 | Lockheed P-2 | ex/USN, for conversion. --See below N7060X and N138HP-- | ||
| N7060X | 93 94 | Lockheed P-2 | 726-7207 | 147957 | --See below N138HP--; see May 2003 |
| N138HP | 04 05 06 | Lockheed P-2 | Quoted by H+P as airframe for failed turbine conversion 04=storage 05=no report (in hangar?). 29Jul06 storage area north, -engines; photo-1 and photo-2 |
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| N131HP | 02 03 04 05 06 | Lockheed C-130A | 1A-3142 | 56-0534, N132FF | Tanker "131". 02=on main ramp 03=east of rwy 15/33 04=storage
05=nosig, cockpit on A.net 29Jul06 main ramp. |
| N132HP | 02 03 04 05 06 | Lockheed C-130A | (1A-3115) | 56-0507, N4172Q | 02=on main ramp 03=east of rwy 15/33, 0507 marked on nose. USAF camo, engines red*. 04=storage, has N41720 scored out, not N4172 as listed 05=nosig. 29Jul06 storage area north. |
| N133FF | 94 03 04 05 06 | Lockheed C-130A | 1A-3143 | 56-0535 | see Id by tyres 04=storage 05=no tail, reg nn. 29Jul06 storage area north. |
| N133HP | 90 00 02 03 04 05 06 | Lockheed C-130A | (1A-3189) | 57-0482, N8026J | Tanker "133". 02=on main ramp 03=std area south 04=storage 05=nosig. 29Jul06 storage area north. |
| N134HP | 90 94 00 02 03 04 05 06 | Lockheed C-130A | 182-3218 | 57-0511 | ex/USAF-Rhode Island ANG; 02=std 03=std area north 04=storage 05=no outer wings. 29Jul06 storage area north. |
| N135HP | 90 02 03 04 05 | Lockheed C-130A | 182-3166 | 57-0459 | ex/USAF; 02=stored 03=std area south 04=storage 05=no outer wings. Included on 21Jun06 list (below), not on 29Jul06 list by R.Pettersen |
| N8230H | 02 03 04 05 06 | Lockheed C-130A | 182-3220 | 57-0513 | 02=std 03=std area south. All grey, reg almost invisable 04=storage 05=nosig. 29Jul06 storage area north, -engines |
| 93-7313 | 05 | Lockheed C-130H | ??? | 93-7313 | 05=731st AS, 302nd AW, in overhaul. Not on 29Jul06 list. |
| 93-7314 | 05 | Lockheed C-130H | ??? | 93-7314 | 05=731st AS, 302nd AW, in overhaul. Not on 29Jul06 list. |
Jim Tomlinson offered the following on the two N3003s which have been sighted at Greybull:
There were two aircraft marked as N3003 here on my visit in Sep.1987.
N3003 is always listed as c/n 10737 ex RCAF 22106. But this was clearly the previous serial of the WFU (without further use) aircraft in RCAF colours, not the airworthy example. The airworthy N3003 had all traces of its previous identity removed from the metal skin, unlike N15501.
It would appear that the airworthy N3003 has taken the identity of the WFU N3003. If this is the case, what is the real identity of the airworthy (at that time) N3003? Is it some sort of rebuild from a damaged aircraft?
See also John Chapman N3003 1989 photos
Two other mystery planes at Greybull are : "06" (N3003/22106?) and another "06" (N8094?)
Again, Jim Tomlinson has something to say about these:
Another mystery is the identity of the two aircraft marked '06'. Comparing pictures taken on my visit in 10/87 with pictures of the engineless '06' in faded RCAF colors taken in 10/97, I think this aircraft is N3003/22106. The RCAF scheme, although more faded, seems to match.
This preserved aircraft in repainted RCAF as '06' could be N8094, which I note on your list was in the museum in 1990.
Sean Keating advised me of a clue to identifying former Canadian C119's: the radar nose cone, if a museum has replaced it with a short nose, then the screw holes still show the outline of the original nose.
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During 2005 H&P went into liquidation. The following were changes on the FAA civil register during Sep.2005, all aircraft registered to Pride Capital Group of Deerfield,IL. Listed in type order, showing registration, manufacturer, model and serial* *Note that "serial" is meant to be construction number, but is often the former military registration. Aircraft need not to be present at Greybull, but it does give a good account of the hardware previously owned by H&P. N1365N BOEING KC-97G 52-2698 N97HB BOEING KC-97G 52-918 N29862 BOEING KC-97L 52-2761 N29866 BOEING KC-97L 52-2695 N397HP BOEING KC-97L 53-208 N497HP BOEING KC-97L 53-265 N90203 DOUGLAS C-54G 35934 N8505A FAIRCHILD C-119F 179 N8093 FAIRCHILD C-119G 10776 N8094 FAIRCHILD C-119G 10994 N15501 FAIRCHILD C-119G-3E 10955 N3003 FAIRCHILD C-119G-3E 10737 N37636 FAIRCHILD C-119L 53-8150 N9701F FAIRCHILD C-82A 45-57814 N131HP LOCKHEED C-130A 56-534 N132HP LOCKHEED C-130A 56-507 N133FF LOCKHEED C-130A 56-535 N133HP LOCKHEED C-130A 57-0482 N134HP LOCKHEED C-130A 57-0511 N135HP LOCKHEED C-130A 57-459 N8908F LOCKHEED P-2H 140441 N122HP LOCKHEED P2V-7 148341 N128HP LOCKHEED P2V-7 140972 N129HP LOCKHEED P2V-7 147950 N138HP LOCKHEED P2V-7 148338 N139HP LOCKHEED P2V-7 145906 N140HP LOCKHEED P2V-7 140443 N173AM LOCKHEED P2V-7 143173 N2216S LOCKHEED P2V-7 148346 N2218A LOCKHEED P2V-7 148355 N2218E LOCKHEED P2V-7 148356 N2218Q LOCKHEED P2V-7 148359 N8056D LOCKHEED P2V-7 140154 N125HP LOCKHEED SP-2H 135588 N7060Y LOCKHEED SP-2H 145905 Credit: Nigel Howarth, forwarded by Jeff Rankin-Lowe. |
The following list was published on Yahoo's Classic Propliners forum in Aug.2006,a posting of Neville Spalding of ADU Software , Kevin Widdowson being the creator of this list.
I have sorted the list a little and added the remarks (thanks to Erik-Jan Hartman for adding many details).
| Reg/Code | Type | C/n & Line nbr | Owner |
Remarks |
| N9701F | Packet C-82A | 10184 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | At auction Aug06 bought by Hagerstown Aviation Museum, Maryland for usd 140.250,- |
| 131706 | Boxcar C-119G | 10891 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | - |
| N15501 | Boxcar C-119G | 10955 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | R23jan07 Hans O.Lauridsen, Carefree,AZ www.lauridsenairmuseum.com |
| N3003 | Boxcar C-119G | 10737 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | |
| N37636 | Boxcar C-119L | 253 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | |
| N3935 | Boxcar C-119G | 10824 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation As N5216R | Sold at Auction Aug06; buyer? |
| N8093 | Boxcar C-119G | 10776 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | Donated by Bob Stanford , Zenith Aviation, Fredericksburg,VA to Hagerstown Aviation Museum [Dec.2006]. |
| N8094 | Boxcar C-119G | 10994 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | |
| N8505A | Boxcar C-119F | 179 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | |
| N122HP | Neptune SP-2H | 726-7226 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | Bought by Neptune Aviation Services of Missoula,MT (registered 08Jan07). |
| N125HP | Neptune SP-2H | 726-7035 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | - |
| N128HP | Neptune SP-2H | 726-7073 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | Bought by Neptune Aviation Services of Missoula,MT (registered 08Jan07). |
| N138HP | Neptune SP-2H | 726-7223 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | |
| N173AM | Neptune P-2H | 726-7129 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | |
| N2216S | Neptune SP-2H | 726-7231 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | Bought by Neptune Aviation Services of Missoula,MT (registered 08Jan07). |
| N2218A | Neptune SP-2H | 726-7243 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | |
| N2218E | Neptune SP-2H | 726-7246 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | Bought by Neptune Aviation Services of Missoula,MT (registered 11Jan07). |
| N2218Q | Neptune SP-2H | 726-7255 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | Bought by Neptune Aviation Services of Missoula,MT (registered 08Jan07). |
| N7060Y | Neptune SP-2H | 726-7167 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | |
| N8056D | Neptune SP-2H | 726-7057 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | Registered to Harold Sheppard Jr, Riverton,WY on 06Sep07 |
| N127HP | F-27 A | 33 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | - |
| N131HP | Hercules C-130A | 3142 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | Bought by Int'l Air Response Inc 20dec06 |
| N132HP | Hercules C-130A | 3115 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | - |
| N133FF | Hercules C-130A | 3143 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | Bought by D&D Enterprises, 12Sep06 |
| N133HP | Hercules C-130A | 3189 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | Bought by Int'l Air Response Inc 20dec06 |
| N134HP | Hercules C-130A | 3218 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | - |
| N135HP | Hercules C-130A | 3166 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | - |
| N8230H | Hercules C-130A | 3220 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | |
| N1365N | Stratofreighter KC-97L | 16729 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | Sold at auction Aug06, to Clay Lacy. |
| N29862 | Stratofreighter KC-97L | 16792 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | Sold at auction Aug06, to Clay Lacy |
| N29866 | Stratofreighter KC-97L | 16726 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | |
| N397HP | Stratofreighter KC-97L | 16990 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | |
| N497HP | Stratofreighter KC-97L | 17047 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | |
| N972HP | Stratofreighter KC-97L | 17132 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | Sold at auction Aug06, to Clay Lacy |
| N97HP | Stratofreighter KC-97G | 16612 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | Reg'd 30Apr07 to Harold Sheppard,Jr of Riverton,WY as N97HB (dba Sheppard Trucking) |
| N233HP | C-118A | 44661/628 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | Bought by Everts Air Fuel Jul05, registered 10Feb06, flew out GEY Oct07, arriving PAE for work on it on 29Oct07. |
| N2871G | Privateer PB4Y-2 | 66302 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | Sold at auction Aug06, to ? |
| N2872G | Privateer PB4Y-2 | 66300 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | Sold at auction Aug06, Yanks Museum |
| N6884C | Privateer PB4Y-2 | 59701 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | R18Jan07 D&G Inc, Casper,WY |
| N7962C | Privateer PB4Y-2 | 59882 CK 132 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | |
| N314CF | Catalina Canso | A 427 | Alegre Air | |
| N687MA | CN-212 Aviocar 200 | 174 | Murray Aviation | |
| N7391C | Beech 18 UC-45F | 8460 | Private | |
| N8190B | Provider C-123K | 20144 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation | Landed 15Aug07 at Sioux Gateway Airport,Iowa after successfully completing a 750-mile ferry flight; donated to Mid America Transportation & Aviation Museum |
| N880V | Lodestar Dallaero | 18-6124 | Hawkins & Powers Aviation |
Not listed in the above was N126HP A-26 Invader, which was sold in the Aug06 auction to Lauridsen Aviation Museum of Glendale Mun'l Airport,AZ.
Lockheed P2V Neptunes N8056D and N173AM were sold for respectively 5,000 and 6,000 US dollars and seem destined for the scrappers.
Air Classics (June 2006) reported that P2V-7 N8908F (BuNo 140441) was cut up for scrap as an exercise to see how much value it would fetch in that form.
N90203 C-54E c/n 35934 was registered to Hawkins & Powers Aviation on 30Apr04. This aircraft was previously owned by H&P but operated by Aero Flite, which is based in Kingman,Arizona. On 28Sep05 it was registered to the Pride Capital Group. Why it was reregistered to H&P I do not know, time will tell I suppose; it is most likely still in Arizona.
| A large number of vintage- and firefighting planes were being auctioned off during Aug. 2006. Hawkins and Powers ceased operations during 2005 and a over sixty(!) vintage planes and aerial fire-fighting aircraft were on offer. Hawkins & Powers were pioneers in aerial firefighting, having been founded as a company in 1969 by co-owners Dan Hawkins and Gene Powers. Over the years, the company grew to become one of the nation's leading providers of firefighting services, aircraft and equipment to the USDA Forest Service and other federal and state agencies. The company's aircraft and the business of aerial firefighting also featured in the film, "Always" (starring Richard Dreyfuss). And Fairchild C-119G N15501 starred in the film "Flight of the Phoenix." It was only to be expected that several aircraft were destined to meet their fate by the hands of the scrapman... |
| On a Yahoo forum (PBY, forwarded on Classic-Propliners) an interesting message appeared (Aug.2006)-- ".... at the big auction in Greybull, Wyoming. This was Hawkins & Powers treasure trove of old stuff and it was something else. At Lone Star we're restoring a PB4Y2 with Cyclones and have a B-25 that's a regular flyer too (N333RW). H&P had an unbelievable quantity of R-2600 engines and parts, some new and a lot of used rebuildables. Translate this as a huge amount of same is now entering the warbird market and John said things look a lot brighter for R-2600 users now. Virtually every round engine builder in N. America was there. Lone Star's friend Carl Sholl (sp.?) made the deal of the centurey on 600 used 2600 cylinders for like three bucks a jug!!! We also got some more Cyclone cowlings for the 4Y. There were a bunch of their leftover water bombers there too and "everything" sold. Two 4Y's were sold, one east coast and one west coast. The Neptunes were junk, but there was a nice A-26 that sold kind of low. On a negative note, a scrapper bought four or five of the C-97's and began chopping them immediately, with the metal already dealt off to China." Doug. Elsewhere someone wrote: "I was told that Clay Lacy bought three of the KC-97s and he doesn't plan to scrap them." ...Hope??? |
Rick Pisio wrote 31Aug06 on WIX-forum: "I have the following owners to match the numbered aircraft. Tanker 121 (N2871G) was purchased by a business man from Phoenix, AZ and will be made to fly again. Tanker 124 (N2872G) was purchased by the Yanks Air Museum in Chino, CA. T126 (N7962C) is owned by the Hawkins family and will probably be sold in the future. T127 (N6884C) is owned by Gene Powers and has not been sold at this time. The earlier post about the (4) KC-97's being scrapped by the end of last week was totally false. These are very large aircraft with a very small scrapping operation. Also, here are the following N-numbers for the KC-97's that Clay Lacy purchased: N1365N (tanker configuration), N972HP (cargo configuration) and 229862 for parts." |
The following was published online on GREYBULL STANDARD [31Aug06]
Carl Meyer, a longtime H&P employee and current general manager of B&G Industries, said B&G ended up buying one of the C-119s that was on the auction block. "For years, people driving past here have seen airplanes," said Meyer. "With the vast majority of them being scrapped, we made a decision to buy one so that people can continue to drive by here and see a C-119. "By putting it on display, we will retain some of the history that was once here." Prior to the sale, there had been an effort led by Ralph Reiner, curator of the Museum of Flight and Aerial Firefighting, to raise funds to keep the planes in the local area. He cited the need to keep the following planes, (in addition to the above C-82 Packet)-, for the museum- Unable to raise the necessary funds, Reiner expressed sadness this week that "so many great planes will soon be gone," but vowed to fight on in his quest to preserve the aviation history of the Greybull area. "Come next year, we'll still be up there," he said. "There will be seven or eight planes that won't leave here, and we are going to do everything we can to try to find more planes and keep the museum going, and possibly even make it larger. "I am not going to give up, even though I'm getting to be an old man. Preserving this part of our history is too important for me to do that." The following provides a bit more info on B&G Industries, |
| In March 2008 I received following email from a former H&Pcrewmember: "I have some insight on some of these aircraft, as I flew for H & P for some time. To solve the mystery of the various numbers, you will need to get with the USFS and/or USDA. For a few years, they had the practice of assigning tanker numbers. There wasn't much logic involved in these numbers. As the various operators around the country would send in the paper work to register their aircraft for the up-coming fire season it would be given a number. If it already had a number, it stayed. But if you swapped an aircraft one year that didn't have a number, they would give it a number that was not used on the list. As a result an operator might operate 6 aircraft and have tanker numbers 06, 123, 86, 29, 101, 137. If one became un-flyable before the next year, it did not pick up the number of the one it replaced. It might be 22, or any other of number you can think of. In the case of N-numbers, they have nothing to do with serial number of the aircraft and can at best possible aid you in tracking the aircraft from year to year-sadly, however, may not have anything to do with a particular aircraft. I have seen some aircraft with a different tanker number every other year. Even some had a different N number every few years... As you may have noticed, many of Gene's aircraft had N-numbers which ended in HP. At one time, he got a block of these numbers from the FAA. Those numbers were swapped around on various aircraft almost yearly! It was simply a matter a writing the FAA a letter and officially moving the "registration number" to a different aircraft. I flew the 97 (B377), C-119 and PB4Y as well as other "stuff" he might have around. One of your contributors noted that a radome had be added to one of the C-119s. Some of the original 119s Gene had, did not have radomes, as they did not have radars. The bunch he got from the RCAF all had radars, and thus radomes. Anytime he wanted to put a radar in a 119, regardless of its lineage, he would take a radome from one of the RCAF machines to house it. Gene had a particular knack for making things work without spending a lot of money." |
Greybull on Airliners.net
Chuck Lunsford wrote a book about his days as a radio operator onboard the C-119: "Departure Message"
He also wrote a novel, featuring the C-119 Flying Boxcar, called "Boxcar Down, the Albanian Incident"
Both books can be bought through BookSurge.com |
| Another writer, Larry E. Fletcher (ex USAF Captain), used his personal experience to write a novel about the C-119 Gunship in Vietnam: "Shadows of Saigon, Air Commandos in SE Asia". |
Some of my links connected to Greybull and / or C-119s:
Greybull 1994
Log Reports from Greybull
Log report and photos by Ralph Pettersen, May 2003
A report from David Ellis, June 2004
Unidentified C-119s at Battle Mountain,NV
Greybull 1983, photos by Fred de Ruiter
In search for identities of unidentified airframes
Sales ad (2006) by Zenith Aviation Page 1 and Page 2
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